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What arguments can be used against the minimum wage intrusion of govt.
November 9, 2006

Posted on 11/09/2006 11:40:48 AM PST by Dane

With the sweep by large margins of the minimum wage intitives in 3 states in 2006, it is obvious that raising the minimun wage is an obvious popular electoral arrow the democrats have in their quiver.

Now I'll probably see replies of "stupid Americans", but that doesn't cut it. I would like to see replies that are concise on why the minimum wage is bad economic policy.

BTW, if you have a pro opinion about the minimum wage, they are also welcome, but such replies such as "sticking it to the man" aren't going to cut it either.


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I'll start it off.

Raising the minimum wage is like the adage of killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. Businesses provide jobs and wealth for people and putting onerous regulations on businesses is killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

1 posted on 11/09/2006 11:40:50 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
spelling arguments correctly is a start :)
2 posted on 11/09/2006 11:42:00 AM PST by fhlh (Since the DNC victory, The MSM has failed to inform me about any of our soldiers dying in Iraq)
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Well typos don't help out. :)


3 posted on 11/09/2006 11:43:26 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

Do like I did.

Tell them to stick it in their ear and retire.


4 posted on 11/09/2006 11:44:01 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Dane

Too numerous to write here.


5 posted on 11/09/2006 11:44:43 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Burns and Allen Concede! Say Goodnight Gracie!)
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To: Dane

Minimum wage is a way of telling poor people 'If you ain't worth X$ you aren't allowed to have a job.'

Minimum wage hikes are a way of increasing the vacuum pressure for illegals to come here. The higher percentage of jobs that aren't worth minimum wage, the more illegals are needed to perform them.

Minimum wage is a payoff to big unions that have step increases linked to minimum wage at the base hence it increases the export of union jobs overseas.

Minimum wage disproportionately affects the poor and low income worker by making it harder for them to reach the bottom rung of the ladder.


6 posted on 11/09/2006 11:44:49 AM PST by Rippin
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To: Dane

The problem is, if you already HAVE a minimum wage (which we do), arguing against raising it a couple of bucks is a fool's errand.

No employer should be forced by government to set an artificial wage for a job for the "privilege" of employing someone. Wages should be a contract between an employer and employee. Government shouldn't tell someone how much to pay me, or how much to charge me for a product.


7 posted on 11/09/2006 11:45:00 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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Raising the minimum wage is really a tax. It takes money away from entrepreneurs who start businesses that create many of the new jobs in America.

The other side of it: Once an entitlement is bestowed, or an idea like raising the minimum wage is accomplished, you cannot take either back. The people will demand it as a right - which, of course, is preposterous.


8 posted on 11/09/2006 11:45:16 AM PST by RexBeach ("Important principles may, and must be, inflexible." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Dane

Ask your opponent why we don't just make the minimum wage $50/hour, and he'll make the argument for you.


9 posted on 11/09/2006 11:45:22 AM PST by kevao
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To: Dane

Arguments don't make much difference when it comes to increasing the min wage. It's a matter of shear power. And the Dems have it.

All we can do is let them do it, and then if the economy tanks, blame them.


10 posted on 11/09/2006 11:45:59 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Dan(9698)

I think the threat of raising the minimum wage is exagerated. The real problem is how many are wanting to do like Colorado, where future increases are indexed to inflation. That is what has driven entitlements through the roof and eventually the job market will be hurt badly because of this.


11 posted on 11/09/2006 11:46:28 AM PST by DonaldC
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I know quite a few people who own businesses and every single one of them pay more than what the raised minimum wage will be so it will have absolutly no impact on them.

One of them owns a liquor store and two own convenience store.

IMO the minimum wage hike will probably benefit about two or three percent of workers and impact less than one percent of employers.


12 posted on 11/09/2006 11:46:34 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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1) By increasing minimum wage, you offer increased incentives to employers to hire illegals to do the work for the same low rate.

2) Due to having to put out more money, businesses will have to make job cuts (see #3), put out an inferior product or raise prices.

3) Since businesses will have to same amount of money to use on labor, the most obvious way to rectify this is job cuts. Those people who need the jobs will be hurt the most.


Either way, it's a good thing those Dems are in power. Now when people get laid off due to the soon to be stagnant economy, they'll have a lifetime of welfare to rely on.


13 posted on 11/09/2006 11:46:43 AM PST by samson1097
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To: Dane
Raising the minimum wage will eliminate many jobs and raise prices for the rest of us.
14 posted on 11/09/2006 11:47:20 AM PST by b4its2late (FOOTBALL REFEREES: It's tough playing with us, but you can't play the game without us.)
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To: Rippin
In theory, raising minimum wage causes unemployment and hurts businesses that employ the minimum wage workers.

The old economic consensus was along these lines.. but research over the past 20 years has been mixed. Many economists believe the effect will be negligible, both on the economy as a whole and in helping the poor.
15 posted on 11/09/2006 11:48:49 AM PST by Truth-The Anti Spin
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To: DonaldC
The real problem is how many are wanting to do like Colorado, where future increases are indexed to inflation.

Ohio did the same thing, that's the most insiduoous part.

16 posted on 11/09/2006 11:49:30 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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Well the old it will cause unemployment argument is dated and well a myth (unless it is raised to something like $9 an hour or something like that). The biggest reason is that it dose very little to help those it was designed to supposedly help. Most of the minimum wage earners are kids from middle class households working for spending money, or spouses in middle income and up households that work for extra money. Very little goes to the stereotypical single mother type. Also only about half of minimum wage workers are even full time workers. If they truly wanted to help boost the incomes of single parents who work hard then boost the EITC which has been proven to be the best Anti Poverty measure ever, has bipartisan and business support, promotes work, and takes the burden off of small business.
17 posted on 11/09/2006 11:49:50 AM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by there fruity little club.)
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If you are a business with only $100 /day available for payroll and minimum wage X employees = $10/ day you can hire 10 employees. If now minimum wage is raised by 50% then your payroll goes to $15 / day and you can only hire 7 employees. For the business to pay employees the new min wage and still keep all 10 they will have eat into their profit further and a lot of businesses do not have that extra cash flow available. It is simple math of operating costs you can afford as % of total revenue. The higher minimum wage is, the fewer the number of employees at the starting levels. Raising min wage hurts those it is designed to help, wages should always be market driven. A business owner does not have an unlimited supply of money available to pay employees. All these liberals that want to raise min wage have never ran a business or met payroll. They have always been employees usually govt. employees and have no clue about business. The other liberals that support this are super rich and have shielded their income legally from income taxes and support this for purely political leverage and votes. Most people in our country are employees and that is the reason 70% of the country supports min. wage increases.
18 posted on 11/09/2006 11:49:50 AM PST by Maneesh (A non-hyphenated American.)
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One of the unintended consequences of raising the minimum wage is to cause the least of the unskilled workers to become virtually unemployable.

Some people whose work is worth $5.15/hr is not worth $7.25/hr.

It's a harsh fact of life. Raising the minimum wage hurts the people struggling at the bottom of the workforce.
19 posted on 11/09/2006 11:50:12 AM PST by newgeezer
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To: Dane

Businesses aren't like the goose that lays the golden egg; their income comes from delivering a product or service to a willing customer, and is finite. Everything on which a business spends money, whether it be labor, capital equipment, or office supplies, needs to directly or indirectly deliver value (revenue) to the company greater than or equal to its cost, or that thing will not be purchased by the business.

If the value of a given task to a company's bottom line is "x", a company will be willing to pay a worker up to "x-y" to do that task, where "y" is the expected profit for the business. If an arbitrary minimum wage (a price floor on labor) is set higher than "x", no business would pay an employee some amount greater than "x" when that employee can only earn "x" for the business. Thus, the business will do without that task, and the potential employee will do without a job.

As a real-world example, let's say that a fast-food restaurant can add an extra worker to a shift and by so doing can serve two more customers per hour, contributing a total of $6 per hour to the company's bottom line. They might be willing to pay that worker $5/hour for that task, and make an additional profit of $1/hour. If the minimum wage is arbitrarily raised to $7/hour, and the additional employee only produces $6/hour in value, the employee will be fired. The restaurant will lose out on $1/hour in extra profits, and the employee will lose out on $5/hour in income.

Just as an arbitrary price floor for goods will reduce the quantity demanded (if milk had to cost at least $10/gallon, you'd buy less milk), an arbitrary price floor for labor will reduce the quantity of labor demanded. That's why every minimum wage increase proposal comes out with models (generally suppressed by the mainstream media) of how many low-income workers will lose their jobs or not be able to get employment if the increase goes into effect. A good way to phrase things to people who haven't put much thought into such things and so support minimum wage increases, living wages, etc. is to ask them why they want the lowest-income people to lose their jobs. As they stare at you with mouth agape, you can then provide them with the above explanation of just how and why those jobs will be lost, and hopefully end up with a convert.


20 posted on 11/09/2006 11:51:00 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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