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Accuser in Duke lacrosse case wanted money, man says (DukeLax Ping)
Raleigh News & Observer ^ | November 4, 2006 | Benjamin Niolet, Joseph Neff and Anne Blythe

Posted on 11/04/2006 1:31:54 AM PST by abb

Joseph Neff, Benjamin Niolet and Anne Blythe, Staff Writers DURHAM - Four days after she said she was raped, the accuser in the Duke lacrosse case told co-workers at a Hillsborough strip club that she was going to get money from some boys at a Duke party who hadn't paid her, the club's former security manager said.

"She basically said, 'I'm going to get paid by the white boys,' " H.P. Thomas, the former security manager at the Platinum Club, said in an interview Friday. "I said, 'Whatever,' because no one takes her seriously."

On March 14, the woman said she was assaulted and raped by three men at a lacrosse team party that began late on the night of March 13. Three players -- David Evans, 23, of Bethesda, Md.; Collin Finnerty, 20, of Garden City, N.Y.; and Reade Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells N.J. -- have been charged with rape, sexual assault and kidnapping. All three have declared their innocence and called the accusations lies.

Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong declined to comment on Thomas' recollections. Thomas said he had not previously come forward on the advice of lawyers.

Nifong has said in court that nearly a month after the party, the woman was in his office and appeared too traumatized to talk about what had happened to her. Nifong said that throughout the April 11 meeting with Nifong and police investigators, the woman seemed near tears and had trouble making eye contact.

But less than a week after the party, Thomas said, the woman seemed fine, and weeks later, he realized a friend of his had a video of her dancing at the club in the early hours of March 26.

The accuser never gave any indication that the party was a bad time, let alone that she was assaulted or raped, Thomas said.

"She was as regular as pie," Thomas said. "She didn't do anything different."

The News & Observer generally does not identify the complainants in sexual assault cases. The woman could not be located for comment Friday.

On March 17, the woman showed Thomas a hospital bracelet and paperwork. While she talked about being owed money, the accuser never gave any word or indication of being hurt, he said.

"The other girls would have known if something had happened," Thomas said. "If another dancer had been beat up or raped by a bunch of white boys, there would have been a ruckus."

Records show she had been seen at Duke and UNC Hospitals on March 14 and 15.

Thomas said dancers must sign in when they take guests into the club's VIP room. He said those sheets show that the woman had signed in March 17 and 18. He said she also danced the following weekend.

The club's owner, Victor Olatoye, said the club's records show the woman was dancing at the club March 23, 24, 25 and into the early hours of March 26. Olatoye has no record of her working the previous weekend.

Olatoye said he had given a sworn statement to an investigator in Nifong's office last month initially saying that he had not seen the woman since February.

That night at the club, Olatoye checked his records and called the investigator back to change his sworn statement.

Olatoye said he has not seen the woman since March.

Thomas said he worked as security manager at the club from January through April. He said he had little to gain by coming forward because of a pending cocaine possession charge. Staff writer Joseph Neff can be reached at 829-4516 or jneff@newsobserver.com.


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To: AnthonySoprano
Somebody said they linked it on CTV, LOL!

Coldwater finally opened up the Duke forum again?
41 posted on 11/04/2006 11:37:20 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: pepperhead
A city as corrupt as Durham calls for plasticuffs and a tent city.

Camp Gitsome?

42 posted on 11/04/2006 11:41:04 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Camp Gitsome?

LMAO

43 posted on 11/04/2006 11:42:49 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: AnthonySoprano
It does help to know someone is watching the stuff you put out there.

Tony Soprano Channeling Sam Spade

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1690672/posts

44 posted on 11/04/2006 11:47:15 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Neverforget01
I think there was plenty of time and opportunity for her to have delivered that money to the pimp between the events. Remember she showed up at her drivers place about 3 hours before the party. She must have been someplace else before showing up there. I don't think the escort services let the workers have a whole lot of time to keep the money in their possession. In a cash business, there would be to many opportunities for it to be spent on other stuff. I do believe that some or all of her $400 was missing. I do not think the lacrosse players ended up with it.

My question is, if she said she was missing $2000, why was that statement not believed? Why didn't it result in charges against someone?

She likely did lose her drugs somewhere. Either to Kimmy or at the house. She had to go to UNC the next day to get more.
45 posted on 11/04/2006 11:55:16 AM PST by Hogeye13
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To: AnthonySoprano
Where's the Attorney General of N.C. ?

http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/wq/LandPreservationNotebook/statutes/nc/attgenopinions/248taxcredits.htm

March 20, 1996

T. D. Nifong
Assistant Attorney General

//

http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/cf_pdf/2006/20061101_50482.pdf

//

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:J86GRwJABYAJ:www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/nc-supreme-court/jun1794/farris+%22timothy+d+nifong%22+%22attorney+general%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a

Heard in the Supreme Court 14 March 1994.
ZZMichael F. Easley, Attorney General, by Timothy D.
Nifong, Assistant Attorney General, for the
State-appellant.

//

(Nifong Contributions)

T. D. Nifong Professor $125.00
46 posted on 11/04/2006 12:04:39 PM PST by maggief
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To: abb

This racist liar must be sued after the verdict--or after the charges are dropped. She is trying to extort money and like criminals are--don't care a whit about what she's done to other people. There must be justice for her and it must fit her crime.


47 posted on 11/04/2006 12:33:59 PM PST by BamaAndy (Heart & Iron--the story of America through an ordinary family. ISBN: 1-4137-5397-3)
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To: old whippersnapper
I have to agree that I think someone within the DPD will get a good look at the underside of the bus over this thing. Gottlieb's 33 page report makes him a good candidate. Entering a false document into the discovery involving a criminal proceeding might have some heavy consequences. It appears for now that Himan is keeping himself in the good graces of the present power broker. That could change as well after Tuesday.

Is there someone else? Possibly someone involved with the "wanted poster".
48 posted on 11/04/2006 12:42:13 PM PST by Hogeye13
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To: abb
"She basically said, 'I'm going to get paid by the white boys,' " H.P. Thomas, the former security manager at the Platinum Club, said in an interview Friday. "I said, 'Whatever,' because no one takes her seriously."

Well, one person takes her seriously. Some toad-faced goof who thinks he's the reincarnation of Oliver effin Cromwell.

49 posted on 11/04/2006 12:48:37 PM PST by zaxxon ("A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes ." -Mark Twain)
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To: AnthonySoprano
I had to get some LIPS in there.

Ok, it is your video. I just wondered if she had contributed to the truth in some way I had missed. While I did not know all the details you mentioned, I do not see them putting her in the class with the rest of those in you video so I will take the above as your complete answer.
50 posted on 11/04/2006 2:35:40 PM PST by JLS
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To: JLS

State's NAACP chief urges students to lead

BY WILLIAM F. WEST : The Herald-Sun, Nov 3, 2006 : 11:07 pm ET

DURHAM -- The state's chief civil rights leader on Friday issued an emotion-laden plea at N.C. Central University urging students to get off the sidelines and become leaders.

"Let me speak to my young brothers and sisters who are here. It's your turn. It's your time," said the Rev. William Barber II, president of the state conference of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP).

"Rosa is not coming back out of the grave. Coretta is not going to get back up. Martin is not coming off that 'mountaintop,' " Barber said, referring to civil rights icons Rosa Parks, Coretta Scott King and Martin Luther King Jr.

"The Lord needs you. The cause of justice needs you," Barber said.

Barber, 43, and himself an NCCU graduate, spoke at NCCU's Founder's Day Convocation, which honors the university's creator, the late James E. Shepard.

Barber next turned to NCCU Chancellor James Ammons and, with a bit of wit, told him: "I need to report something to you because as a pastor I hear a lot of conservations. Some folks think you're crazy. I'm sorry to report that in front of your wife."

Barber said that is because the chancellor -- like an "eagle" looking at the sun -- dares to do what others have not dared to do and has visions for the university, whose athletic teams are known as the eagles.

Ammons' visions include infusing a new spirit in NCCU students, increasing enrollment, recruiting national scholars and calling for educating more blacks and Hispanics for high-tech jobs, Barber said.

"You're just strange, man, strange like Dr. Shepard," Barber said with a roar in his voice, to the delight of the audience. "You want us to lead in bio-tech. You want us to win in sports -- and on top of that, you want us to lead in the way of community service."

Barber earlier in his speech went into great detail about the difficulties blacks faced when Shepard opened what would become NCCU in 1910.

Not until the pinnacle of the civil rights movement in the mid-1960s would the federal government finally crack down on white suppression and pass laws guaranteeing rights for blacks and ending segregation.

Despite the precarious position blacks found themselves in nearly a century ago, Barber pointed out that NAACP was formed in 1909 and a year later Shepard organized the future NCCU, both moves displaying audacity and a determination to trample racism and defy the forces intent on degrading and destroying blacks.

"And to stand here today as president of one and an alumni of another is a humbling state of being," he said. "I tell you, these verdant greens and sloping hills are historic and holy grounds.

But Barber said much remains to be done today.

He expressed deep concern about what he said are the overwhelming majority of the state's worst-performing schools being predominantly "re-segregated," non-white facilities.

Black children are disproportionately poor, are denied a fair chance in life and face a life of crime, he argued.

"Imprisonment is a new slavery," he argued, adding the state spends more on a prisoner than a public school student.

And, he added, "HIV/AIDS is ravaging us and killing more people than Jim Crow and the Klan ever killed."

Barber drew applause when he condemned the spending of billions of dollars on the U.S.-led war in Iraq when the expenditures could have been directed toward public housing and schools.

Barber told the audience they must act by going to the polls.

"We can't sit out any election, first of all, because it's disrespectful to all those who died that we might have the opportunity," he said.

http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-784766.html

* No comment.


51 posted on 11/04/2006 2:37:28 PM PST by xoxoxox
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To: zaxxon

It wouldn't surprise me to learn (purely IMHO, of course), that if there are major criminal figures (read, drug trafficers) residing in the Durham area, (because the climate of protection there is 'healthful' for their endeavors), that they pay off all in sight to maintain that climate;

and that those on the receving end of the money might include even persons farther up the food chain than just the locals in Durham.


52 posted on 11/04/2006 2:38:21 PM PST by CondorFlight
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To: xoxoxox
Check out the two endorsements on Nifong's website, i.e. The People's Alliance and The Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People.

http://mikenifong.com/endorsements/endorsements00.php

53 posted on 11/04/2006 3:36:55 PM PST by I want to know
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To: CondorFlight

Not a matter of opinion. Durham is huge in the drug trade. Apparently it's a major stop on the I-85 and I-40 and I-95 drug routes. That's why they have a gang problem all out of proportion to the size of the city.


54 posted on 11/04/2006 4:32:03 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

SPECULATION ALERT! (for discussion purposes only . . .)

Let's say a (hypothetical) person owns a variety of companies, including an air transport company which flies mostly in Africa.

Where is it likely that person would chose to be domiciled?

If Durham, NC, is not the first place that comes to mind, ask why such a person might be found there.

(climate conducive to his health? conducive to his business?)

Consider also, the proximity of the CIA's major flight headquarters, in Johnston county, just south and east of Raleigh-Durham --

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/502122.html

Book ties Johnston firm to CIA activity

"Aero Contractors, a private air charter company based in Johnston County, became the "home of CIA aviation," moving suspected terrorists to countries where they could be more harshly interrogated, according to a new book by freelance journalist Stephen Grey.

(snip)

Last year, in part because of Grey's reporting for The New York Times and CBS' "60 Minutes," Aero became known as a possible supplier of CIA planes headed to places such as Syria, Egypt, Morocco and Jordan...

(snip)

Grey said following the Sept. 11 attacks, at least 40 to 50 pilots flew Aero planes for CIA "renditions," although he was not sure whether Aero employed those pilots.

"I ... haven't tracked down where they all live ... but [of] those I know about, I WOULD SAY A HIGH PROPORTION LIVE IN JOHNSTON OR THE NEIGHBORING TWO OR THREE COUNTIES", Grey said in a subsequent e-mail message.


55 posted on 11/04/2006 4:56:36 PM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight; I want to know

"I personally and professionally support Mike Nifong for District Attorney.
I have known Mike my entire law enforcement career and know him to be
an honest individual with impeccable integrity. His lengthy career with the
District Attorney's Office demonstrates his commitment and dedication to
the citizens of Durham. As a lifelong resident of Durham I want the best for
our citizens and Mike Nifong is the best candidate for District Attorney."

~ Terry Mangum
2nd Vice President, Durham Co. Lodge 2, Fraternal Order of Police
Retired Police Captain, Durham Police Department

http://mikenifong.com/endorsements/endorsements0000.php

Durham city manager Patrick Baker negotiated a sweet early retirement
deal with DPD Chief Chalmers this summer. We never did learn the contents
of Baker's report to the City Council on the DPD 'investigation' of the
Durham Extortion and Fraud Scandal. And to think all those federal agents
helping out on other crimes might have noticed anything?


56 posted on 11/04/2006 5:28:59 PM PST by xoxoxox
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To: xoxoxox

Barber must be one of the more blatant hypocrites and charlatans in NC. He loves to throw in the religious rhetoric and quote MLK. He knows how to 'talk the talk' :

"The Lord needs you. The cause of justice needs you," Barber said.

(snip)

"And to stand here today as president of one and an alumni of another is a humbling state of being," he said. "I tell you, these verdant greens and sloping hills are historic and holy grounds."

Yet Barber lets the NAACP use Joyner to 'monitor' the lacrosse hoax; kept a list of over 80 contentions about the lacrosse defense up on the state NAACP site for a long time , and by doing so effectively endorsed the lie that race was a feature of the alleged "crime", and encouraged the black community to draw the same conclusion.

And nary a word of condemnation has been heard for the NAACP's sharing a rostrum with the NBBP. If the KKK had shared a rostrom with anyone, there would have been condemnation from one side of the country to the other. But the NAACP apparently feels no shame in uniting with a group that calls for the extermination of all whites, beginning with the Jews.

Mr. Barber, where is your apology, your renunciation of this meeting, your denouncing of the NBBP, and your declaration that never, under any circumstances, will you refer to them or members of the NOI (who also believe in the final end of the white race) as "brothers and sisters"?


57 posted on 11/04/2006 5:44:26 PM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight

C. Michaels showing his true colors again:

http://wilmingtonjournal.blackpressusa.com/news/Article/Article.asp?NewsID=73788&sID=4

"On Oct. 27, Nifong turned over another 2,000 pages
of discovery evidence, bringing the total in the case
to well over 4,000 pages handed over as required by
state law, in addition to DVDs containing email down-
loads from dorm-room computers of the defendants."

Nifong's strategy of unloading a BOXCAR of fictional
discovery for the last six months has bought time, and
certainly fooled and misled the local press corp, whom
are better suited to covering the garden section.

But let's not be fooled by the PRESS. For they have
surely played this game with full knowledge of the
TRUTH of the Durham Extortion Fraud, and have abdicated
any Fourth Estate duties required by Free and Honest Press.

What does the Herald-Sun continue to HIDE?


58 posted on 11/04/2006 6:00:50 PM PST by xoxoxox
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To: pepperhead; JLS


I don't know. Someone posted at TL that they put it up on CTV ??

Where on CTV, I have no idea.


JLS,

Rita doesn't fit in with the others, it was a gratuituous attempt to get more interest than the Hardcore crowd.

Thanks


59 posted on 11/04/2006 6:02:11 PM PST by AnthonySoprano
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To: maggief

Interesting Maggie.

Thank you


60 posted on 11/04/2006 6:04:05 PM PST by AnthonySoprano
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