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'Go Ahead, Put Marks on Me' (GMA Interview w/Kim - DukeLax Ping
ABC News ^ | October 30, 2006 | CHRIS FRANCESCANI and EAMON McNIFF

Posted on 10/30/2006 3:04:46 AM PST by abb

Second Dancer Claims Alleged Duke Lacrosse Rape Victim Said to Bruise Her By CHRIS FRANCESCANI and EAMON McNIFF ABC News Law & Justice Unit

Oct. 30, 2006 — - The second dancer in the Duke rape case has said for the first time that the accuser told her to "go ahead, put marks on me'' after the alleged attack.

Dancer Kim Roberts made the new allegation -- which she has not shared with authorities -- in an interview with Chris Cuomo that will air today on "Good Morning America."

Roberts' allegation comes in the wake of Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong's admission in court last week that he has not yet interviewed the accuser "about the facts of that night."

As she drove the accuser from the March 2006 Duke lacrosse party, Roberts told ABC News the woman was clearly impaired and "talking crazy." Roberts said she tried several different times to get the accuser out of her car.

"The trip in that car from the house … went from happy to crazy,'' Roberts told Cuomo. "I tried all different ways to get through to her.

"I tried to be funny and nice," she continued. "Then I tried to, you know, be stern with her. … We're kind of circling around, and as we're doing that, my last-ditch attempt to get her out of the car, I start to kind of, you know, push and prod her, you know."

Roberts said she told the woman, "Get out of my car, get out of my car."

"I … push on her leg. I kind of push on her arm," Roberts said. "And clear as a bell, it's the only thing I heard clear as a bell out of her was, she said -- she pretty much had her head down, but she said plain as day -- 'Go ahead put marks on me. That's what I want, go ahead.' ''

Roberts said the comments "chilled me to the bone, and I decided right then and there to go to the authorities."

'Weighing on My Heart'

Roberts was not aware at the time of any rape allegations, which were first made by the accuser after police had arrived and taken the woman to a crisis center.

In the interview, Roberts appeared reluctant to talk about her new claim.

"It is something that has been weighing on my heart, and I worry that maybe I won't be called to trial,'' Roberts told Cuomo, as she reached for a tissue. "Because all of, so many of her, so much of [the accuser's] statement differs from mine and I, I might not help the prosecution at all as a witness.''

Roberts became visibly upset as she described the accuser's comments for the first time, at one point stopping the interview.

"I don't even want to talk about it anymore,'' she said.

"Why is it so hard for you to reveal that?" Cuomo asked Roberts.

"Because I think it's gonna make people rush to judgment,'' she replied. "It's gonna make them stop listening. … And I don't like this at all. It's gonna make-- It's gonna make people not listen and I, I'm sure you're probably not even going to play this. It's gonna make people not listen to any other part of the story. It's gonna make people so judgmental, it's gonna solidify their opinions so much, that they're not gonna want to hear the other aspects of the case, which I think are just as important.''

Changes in Roberts' Characterization of the Events

Roberts' attorney, Mark Simeon, said she never shared what she says were the accuser's final comments with police, not realizing their significance at the time. He said she would be willing to take a lie detector test about the new information.

Three Duke lacrosse players -- Dave Evans, Colin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann -- were charged last spring with rape and kidnapping for the alleged attack on the exotic dancer, who had been hired by the men to perform at the off-campus party. All three men have vigorously declared their innocence, inside and outside of court.

Defense attorneys for the players declined to comment on Roberts' remarks.

Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong did not return a call over the weekend for comment.

One legal expert who has followed the case closely from the start said the new information is a clear blow to an already embattled prosecution team.

"To have witnesses appear on a media program revealing information that the prosecutor doesn't know is stunningly inappropriate,'' said Linda Fairstein, who headed the Manhattan District Attorney's Sex Crimes Unit for more than two decades.

Roberts has proven to be a somewhat unpredictable character in a case with a seemingly bottomless supply of surprises.

She has said consistently that she doesn't know whether or not a rape occurred. But she has characterized the evening's events differently to different people.

On March 20, when police first contacted her a week after the alleged attack, she called the rape allegation a "crock'' and said that she was with the woman for all but "less than five minutes.''

A month later, in an Associated Press interview, she indicated that she believed there had been an attack.

"I was not in the bathroom when it happened, so I can't say a rape occurred -- and I never will. … In all honesty, I think they're guilty. … Somebody did something besides underage drinking. That's my honest-to-God impression."

Then, on June 14, in an interview with National Public Radio, she said she was "unsure'' of how much time passed when the alleged victim got out of her car and went back into the house to get her purse.

"I can never say a rape did or did not occur. That's for the courts to decide. I didn't see it happen, you know? But what I can say is that there was opportunity and it could have happened.''

Simeon told ABC News that she has never shared this new information with authorities simply because she was never asked.

"She hasn't spoken to authorities beyond that very first [March 20] interview that police conducted,'' Simeon said. "She's never met with the DA and has never been called back for a follow-up interview.''

Simeon said she told him she felt her complete story was damaging to both the prosecution and the defense's cases, and as such she believes she may not be called to the witness stand at all.

Fatal Blow to Duke Prosecution?

Nifong, who is seeking reelection next month, stunned defense attorneys in court last week when he said that he has yet to interview the accuser "about the facts of that night.''

"I've had conversations with [the accuser] about how she's doing,'' Nifong said. "I've had conversations with her about seeing her kids. I haven't talked with her about the facts of that night. … We're not at that stage yet.''

The prosecutor made the comment in response to a request from defense attorneys for any statements the accuser has made about the case.

Nifong said that only police have interviewed the accuser, and that none of his assistants have discussed the case with the woman either.

The highly-charged case has sparked an intense, bitter rivalry between Nifong and defense attorneys.

In September, he similarly surprised defense attorneys when he said in court that the attack, which the accuser told police took about 30 minutes, had in fact been only "five to 10 minutes.''

"When something happens to you that is really awful, it can seem like it takes place longer than it actually takes.''

Fairstein, widely considered a pioneer in the field of sex crimes prosecution, said Roberts' allegations do not bode well for either her own credibility or for the district attorney's office.

"In terms of any prosecution, it's troubling when a witness who has been interviewed many times comes up with a completely new statement,'' Fairstein told ABC News. "At some point in a prosecutorial interview, she would have been asked to give them anything she knew, any scrap of information that she had.''

Fairstein told ABC News she was shocked to learn last week that Nifong has yet to interview the accuser.

"That is just against the progress that's been made in this very specialized field,'' she said. "It belies anything a prosecutor would do before making charges. There was no need to rush to the charging judgment in this case. … This whole train should have been slowed down and everybody interviewed before charging decisions. To have witnesses appear on a media program revealing information that the prosecutor doesn't know is stunningly inappropriate.''


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To: JLS

Could be way, way off target; but just for future reference...

http://justice.gov/ndic/pubs3/3690/heroin.htm

"The Durham Police Department, in response to the NDIC National Drug Threat Survey 2001, reports that heroin is widely available"

"Law enforcement officers in Durham report that retail quantities of heroin are frequently sold from several local businesses including small independent recording studios that may be fronts for distributing heroin."

http://www.hri.org/docs/USSD-INCSR/96/Executive/Heroin.html

"Nigeria is critical to the heroin trade. Nigeria is Africa's most significant transshipment point. But Nigerians also surface as the heroin traffickers par excellence on every continent. Though they are among the principal smugglers of Southeast Asian heroin into the United States, Nigerians are regularly arrested in Bangkok, Rio de Janeiro, New York, Moscow, Riyadh, Bombay, etc. Unfortunately, rampant corruption at all levels of government in Nigeria virtually assures Nigerian trafficking organizations a favored place in the heroin trade."


361 posted on 11/02/2006 7:31:17 AM PST by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight

Probably not that off.

Always good to have these facts for future reference if needed.


362 posted on 11/02/2006 7:50:52 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

9309 Royal Crest Dr, Raleigh

is right in the middle of the relatively new Brier Creek Country Club. Sounds like the "Dr." has a house on the golf course. I wonder if his neighbors know what kind of business he runs.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=9309+Royal+Crest+Dr.&city=raleigh&state=nc&zipcode=


363 posted on 11/02/2006 9:20:17 AM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: CondorFlight

Among other things, I'm sure every one of those clubs can help you get on the horse.


364 posted on 11/02/2006 9:22:06 AM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

The zoning change request by Mr. O was for a project called Royale Restaurant, involving a use change for a 1455 sq.ft. building at 9309 Royal Crest Dr. within the country club/golf community. The request was approved, which doesn't make sense if this was an upscale residential community, does it?


365 posted on 11/02/2006 10:19:04 AM PST by GAgal
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To: Locomotive Breath
LB, go the the Wake County website and do a search on his property.

Never mind, I have it right here:

Property Info:
http://msweb01.co.wake.nc.us/realestate/Account.asp?id=0283508&stype=owner&owner=olatoye&spg=1

Picture:


He has made lots of money off of nekkid women. I don't think it was from selling ostrich eggs.

Strange, don't hear the potbangers going after him for exploiting women.

366 posted on 11/02/2006 10:24:23 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: All

BTW, Purchase Price of 715,000 big ones.
From 3 businesses, 2 have failed
Royal Internation-Suspension
Club Royale - closed
Platinum's - Precious dances there and we all know Brian Taylor used to watch her dance there (and in Smithfield) in addition to driving her.



Now, I admit to being ignorant of the law and investigative procedures, but damn....IS ANYONE PAYING ATTENTION????


367 posted on 11/02/2006 10:30:58 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: All

Hilarious post on TL (I guess libs cam be funny once in their lives)

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Re: When did Precious resume stripping?
« Reply #43 on: Today at 10:13:38 AM »

Victor Olatoye. I think he was sending me emails a couple years ago. His uncle was a king and had died and there were twenty million dollars in a bank, and if I could help Victor then we'd split the twenty mill...





368 posted on 11/02/2006 11:07:07 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: GAgal
Well he supposedly has this massive world-wide empire and yet he's running it out of his house? Most restrictive covenants prohibit running a commercial business out of a residential home. I'm wondering because none of this makes sense. Like you, I can't see the city zoning this house anything but residential
369 posted on 11/02/2006 11:52:00 AM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Well, this is speculative, but if someone were running a drug importing business, he would likely choose to settle in some place like Durham, where he could count on protection from the local police and not being investigated.

If the cops are his partners, then he needn't fear being interfered with.

But that is entirely for discussion purposes only, presented as a hypothetical. Not meant to point to anyone in particular. I have no knowledge of Mr. O's activities.


370 posted on 11/02/2006 11:57:59 AM PST by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight

But if Durham has a climate that is compatiable with crime, then maybe you might expect to find many others attracted to that clime, as well. . .


371 posted on 11/02/2006 12:00:28 PM PST by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight

Yeah, except he's in a ritzy neighborhood in Raleigh. It's one of those kinds of neighborhoods where the neighbors would almost certainly notice strange comings and goings.


372 posted on 11/02/2006 12:05:45 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

"Looks like Nifong learned more than throwing baseballs from his Little League days. He's a master of mudslinging. From the start that's about all his campaign -- if that's what you call a clique of desperate assistant DAs -- has come up with. We'll see what Durham says on Tuesday," according to the statement from the spokesman, Brad Dixon. N&O 4/27/06

Lost among the outcry over the lax fraud during the primary election was the smear operation the DA had going on Freda Black. This quote references an old sex charge dragged out against one of Freda's campaign managers.

We wonder what else these 'desperate assistant DAs' were up to, helping their boss, and ensuring their job security. Many in his office seem terribly fixated on all matters related to sex.


373 posted on 11/02/2006 12:06:08 PM PST by xoxoxox
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To: CondorFlight
Well, this is speculative, but if someone were running a drug importing business, he would likely choose to settle in some place like Durham, where he could count on protection from the local police and not being investigated.

If the cops are his partners, then he needn't fear being interfered with.

It's been known to happen:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1730815/posts

Henry Co. Sheriff, 19 others indicted

WSLS.com ^ | 11-2-2006

ROANOKE, Va. (AP) - Henry County Sheriff Frank Cassell and 12 of his employees have been indicted on federal charges in an alleged drug-related racketeering conspiracy. A U-S Postal Service employee, a probation officer and five citizens were also charged in the 34-count indictment, which was unsealed today.

Charges in the indictment -- which was handed down on Tuesday --include racketeering, narcotics distribution, obstruction ofjustice and perjury. A spokesman for the U-S Marshal's Service in Roanoke says federal agents arrested most of the defendants early this morning.

The indictment alleges that beginning in 1998, drugs seized bythe sheriff's office were sold to citizens for distribution. Thedrugs include the cocaine, marijuana, steroids and the sedative Ketamine.

[end excerpt]

374 posted on 11/02/2006 12:19:54 PM PST by Ken H
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To: xoxoxox

The Platinum is open Thursday thru Saturday.

The 23/24/25th of March would be the period the video is from, taken on Saturday the 25th. Note that the period before that is the 16/17/18th. That would be when Precious could have started dancing there after the rape. Precious probably danced at the club the night after Gottlieb interviewed her, the 16th.

Note that the recent H-S article has the wrong date for the video, the 26th, when the club was closed. Possibly to make the owner look correct?


375 posted on 11/02/2006 1:10:22 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: CondorFlight

I just heard on the radio that the Sheriff of Roanoke, VA and 11 Deputies have been arrested on drug charges.

They took it from the evidence locker and sold it back on the streets.

If that could happen in Roanoke, it could happen anywhere. The large majority of LE are the good guys. But when the opportunity for corruption is allowed to go unchecked, those few will take advantage of it, anywhere....

My speculative, hypothetical mantra from the beginning has been :
Prostitution --> Drugs ---> Organized Crime
The protection is coming from somewhere.


376 posted on 11/02/2006 1:45:46 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: ltc8k6

ltc,

"Note that the recent H-S article has the wrong date for the video, the 26th, when the club was closed. Possibly to make the owner look correct?"

If the club is open after midnight the time stamp on the video could be correct and your operating schedule for the club would also be correct.


377 posted on 11/02/2006 1:51:22 PM PST by Hogeye13
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To: xoxoxox

Think of C'Destine Anatoli Couch's future if Nifong loses?

Finesse may or may not be tight with the Easley appointee. Crap shoot.

If Nifong wins, he will have won with the support of Finesse, who is on the executive board of the Committee and is President of the Durham Bar as well.

Baby Boy Couch is on the fast track. We all know it. If he wasn't being groomed, that myspace page would have gotten him in a heap of trouble.

BabyBoy Couch was looking for some clubs to visit in (?)Wilmington. It would be a safe bet he is known around the clubs in Durham. Mmmm.

Wonder if he knows Brian Taylor?
Brian Taylor is tight with the NCCU bigwigs.
I guess the "friend" he went with to the clubs has never been named.

But I digress. Back to CDestine. We know this about him:
Looking for a MILF
Loves his body
Favorite movie: Transformers
Favorite Sport: WWF (wants to be in a WWF Smackdown)

Durham, this is you DA's Office.


378 posted on 11/02/2006 2:00:24 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Hogeye13

It's misleading though, if true.

Ed Bradley says the 25th, not the 26th, doesn't he?


379 posted on 11/02/2006 2:00:27 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Ken H

Ken, you beat me to it. I should have read to the end.
Even in my native state of VA...Sad


380 posted on 11/02/2006 2:03:11 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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