Explaining the Shooting of Governor John Connally

Shown on FreeRepublic for the first time. | October 25, 2006 | Bill Charleston

[wideminded]

(3) Both Nellie and John Connally were actually very sure he was not wounded by the same bullet that first struck JFK.

And they're both wrong. The Zapruder film shows that Connally's suit lapel is moved by the same bullet that had passed through JFK and Connally.

Last year I met with one of the best known critics of the Warren Commission. I showed Dr. Cyril Wecht...

Wecht is overrated.

Ever read the book Best Evidence? See what the author has to say about Cyril Wecht.

Here's a quote from Wikipedia that accurately describes Wecht:

"Journalist Robert Dvorchak of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette newspaper once described Wecht as, "a man who never met a TV camera he didn't like, a man who never had an opinion he didn't share and a man who carries his own local political baggage."

[SoCal Pubbie]

Also, as I recall, Lifton does not explain how post mortem alterations, done hectically in some short time span according to Lifton's timeline, were disguised so that the medical examiners were unable to discern that they did not occur as the President was expiring. Even my rudimentary knowledge of forensics, gleaned from watching The New Detectives and CSI, tells me that bruising, etc. happens differently after death. I think there was some fuzzy indications that the pathologists may have been in on it, in which case why bother with the changes at all?

[Eastbound]

In context, Oswald's short comment spoke more to me than the encyclopoedic Warren Commission Report. Ask yourself one question. If Oswald was in fact the lone shooter, why would he deny it by making such an absurd remark? At the very least, his remark, patsy or not, fairly screamed others were involved. Others that he no doubt was going to name. And if there were others involved, it was a conspiracy.

[SoCal Pubbie]

"In context, Oswald's short comment spoke more to me than the encyclopoedic Warren Commission Report. "

I have no doubt about that.

"If Oswald was in fact the lone shooter, why would he deny it by making such an absurd remark?"

You don't seriously need me to answer that, do you?

[cerberus]

I could not come close to making those shots at a moving target in the time frame between the shots using a bolt action rifle that Lee Harvey Oswald had.

I've read many many books on the assassination and was convinced for years that there was a conspiracy. However, when I visited the TSBD site several years ago I was amazed at what a relatively easy shot it would have been. I am not a marksman, but I think I could damn near have done it myself.

Other books I have read on Oswald since that time have further convinced me that he was indeed the lone assassin.

[mak5]

Good job in both posts. I have seen how deformed the bullet became and I have read accounts by the people who were able to duplicate or surpass the shooting. It was an easy shot, particularly for an experienced shot like Oswald.

[Eastbound]

"You don't seriously need me to answer that, do you?"

Not today, it seems, so I'll answer it. The remark, "I'm a patsy" only makes sense if he didn't kill JFK, and it was an admission that he was peripherally involved in some capacity.

[Shooter 2.5]

Let these "experts" try to explain this one.

[raygun]

Who shot JFK?, 18 Nov 1998 Mother Jones article by Bob Harris¹

The Final Shots by Robert Harris proving that the shot came from the right.

Brief synopsis of the Zapruder film by Robert Harris that provides conclusively an accurate answer to what is perhaps, the most fundamental and important of all the issues - the question of whether a single assassin could have been solely responsible for the fatal attack on President Kennedy.

The Z-Thesis, an cursory examination of the Zapruder ffilm by Robert D. Morningstar, with speculation that subliminal messages have been insinuated into it so as to foster, promote and propagate the propaganda proselytized as the official party-line on the incident.²

THE ULTIMATE SECRET OF THE JFK ASSASSINATION, shocking expose by Robert Morningstar, that blows the lid off of the myth concerning who really is buried in JFK's tomb (hint: its not JFK).

In Defense of Jack Ruby by by David Reitzes.

Dave Perry's JFK Assisination Pages, with such notable gems such as Consiracy theorists and lone-nutters, Help! I'm pro-Conspiracy, The Robert Harris Affect and many many others.

The Truth is out there.

NOTES:

1. Bob Harris is a political humorist having spoken at almost 300 colleges nationwide, the co-author of the CD/ROM Encyclopedia Of The JFK Assassination, occasional contributor to Fair Play and a JFK assasination newsgroup poster.

2. Robbert D. Morningstar is a computer systems and imaging specialist, NYC, NY resident, and former NYC JFK campaign 1960 volunteer. He graduated from Power Memorial Academy with a degree in psychology from Fordham University, is an acknowledged Tai Chi master and has taught for the East Asian Studies Department at Oberlin College and as an Adjunct Lecturer at Hunter College (1994-95), City University of New York. At the Third Decade Symposium on the JFK Assassination in Chicago, Morningstar became the first scientist to expose publicly the use of gestalt psychology in the alteration and doctoring of the Zapruder Film. From 1992-1994, he was a movement therapist in the Behavioral Sciences Department at The International Center for the Disabled teaching in Stress Management and Behavioral Modification Programs in New York City. Morningstar is an FAA licensed pilot and Instrument Ground Instructor, member of The U.S. Naval Institute, The Air Force Association, the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, the Air Safety Foundation and is listed in Who's Who in The East (24th & 25th Editions). In June, 1997, he was elected Presider of the Ancient Druid Order of England in a Druid ceremony at Stonehenge directly linking him spiritually to the Arthurian legacy.

The Martian Thesis: The Four Faces of Mars, excellent expose by Robert Morningstar provides stunning evidence that the "Mars Face" is indeed the Apis Bull, the face of Sekmet Cat, the face of Osiris and the Horus Falcon, and emphasises this to be "..a true and self-evident, self-manifesting miracle."

RENSE.COM: USS Greenville Collision - Who Hit Whom? The Mysteries Of The Ehime Maru by Robert Morningstar of Morningstar Aerospace presenting evidence respecting the conspiracy behind the submarine collision near Hawaii, and many questions that remain regarding the sinking of the Ehime Maru.

Was TWA 800 Destroyed by Meteor Impact (The Death Ray From Outer Space)?, PIREP by Robert Morningstar of bolide meteor near-miss of airplane southwest of Hartford, CT, suggesting this closest of airborne scientific observation (made of an in-flight meteor) provides an alternative possibility for the crash of TWA FLT800, and the Los Alamos Fires.

UFO DIGETST: ET Murders Most Foul, excellent summary by Robert Morningstar of 40 hours of analysis of the 58 second Alien Autopsy Ambulance film clip.

3. Dave Perry is the past Assistant Director of University Charter School in Irving, TX., and received his degree in Education from the Massachusetts State College at Worcester. His experience includes teaching Biology and Earth Science at junior high and high school's in Hopkinton, MA. and Poughkeepsie, NY. Furthermore, he has more than ten years experience teaching business and computer applications to the staff of several property/casualty insurance companies. He was chosen to represent his school district in the Texas Teacher of the Year 2001 competition. He was the 2000 - 2001 President of the Colleyville Texas Rotary club and received the club's Rotarian of the Year award in 1999. Dave has been actively researching the murder of President John F. Kennedy for thirty years and has published numerous articles on his investigation of various facets of the assassination. He has been a special guest for the History America's Kennedy assassination tour in Dallas, TX. In 2003 Dave was an on camera consultant to the Discovery Channel's Unsolved History - JFK Conspiracy Myths.

[raygun]

I haven't seen any after-action reports of interviews by LEO's of the Yeti, nor is there any alibi - not even an implausible one - concerning the UFO's whereabouts at the time, and when that's all cleared up, I'm certain Jimmy Hoffa's corpse will not be far from the premises where, IMHO, all parties where engaged in some serious pinochle that just got out of hand purely by accident. Things happen you know.

[1L]

>>He was a competent marksman, owned a perfectly capable surplus rifle, and the shot was relatively simple for his skill.<<

You could possibly be wrong about every one of these statements. I'm not going to dispute the first one since there's no clear cut answer to it, but the alleged rifle is a piece of crap. In virtually all tests that have been done to recreate the shooting, the problem isn't the accuracy of it per se, but the fact that the guns jammed so frequenty, its hard to believe one would not jam during the 5-7 seconds it allegedly took Oswald to fire 3 shots.

Besides, even the "official" story disputes your third assertion. The first shot of this "relatively simple" exercise missed. No competent marksman is going to pass up an easy shot, and the easiest shot would have been taking Kennedy straight on heading toward the TSBD before the limo made the left turn.

[2111USMC]

Thanks for the thread.

Regardless of anybodies opinions, I found it quite an interesting read.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Of course Oswald by the WC profile would have wanted to make a statement. If he came up with this ALL by himself (when from all evidence he liked Kennedy) and had the chance to become one of the most publicized men in history why would he deny himself that. I mean, if he killed Kennedy it had to be for a reason which he would want publicly known.

Unless you believe it was just a completely random act conceived and perpetrated anonymously.

It is obvious that his statement was not that of a man acting alone with the motivation (?) ascribed to him. A non-entity must be known to be a superstar.

[justshutupandtakeit]

You are welcome to all of them you want. I would take almost any other rifle or make to that as would any assassin.

And the fact remains that it could not be shot, with that sight as attached, with any accuracy.

Even assuming all you say there is still no evidence that the rifle had been shot by Oswald for months nor that he EVER purchased any ammo for it. So no sighting, no practice, little demonstrated competency with any rifle and no ammo make the shooting VERY difficult indeed.

Had Kennedy been larger, say the size of the side of a barn then I would believe the wC story.

[raygun]

D'ah, messed up the HTML, and forgot a " symbol in the HREF in a couple places, therefor the last two linkys in my post got messed up (one not showing up at all) and the Mother Jones link is non-functional. Profuse mea culpea and I vow not to let that happen again.

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Who shot JFK?, 18 Nov 1998 Mother Jones article by Bob Harris¹

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Interesting collection of linkys from around the Web for those looking into the Kennedy assassination and related matters.

Dave Perry's JFK Assisination Pages, with such notable gems such as Consiracy theorists and lone-nutters, Help! I'm pro-Conspiracy, The Robert Harris Affect and many many others.

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Running away as fast as I can, with head tucked firmly between my short little legs, before I get hit with debris and detritus thrown at me with vigor and conviction for exhibiting such poor posting skills as I did. D'ah.

[SoCal Pubbie]

Well, death row is a strong motivator to the contrary.

[The KG9 Kid]

Another ignorant post. Suit yourself.

None of you detractors have owned or fired, much less handled a M91/38 Mannlicher-Carcano. None of you know their history or suitability.

You're just regurgitating conspiracy detractions that haven't been confronted with facts often enough.

[justshutupandtakeit]

There has been no statement by me of anything not consistent with the Warren Commission as regards condition of rifle, capability of shooter, ammo, work done on the rifle before firing, opinion of safety of rifle etc.

Questions based on those facts are only those an inquisitive mind would care to have addressed.

In fact, there are hundreds of relevant questions which have not been answered or even addressed based ONLY upon what is in the Report. The various authors attempts to explain what happened have varying degrees of interest or ability to communicate their opinions.

Every single "fact" about this event has so many lose ends and false leads that little is certain.

[1L]

Actually, I HAVE handled one (and worked the action) and talked to those that have fired them. Please don't make stuff up just because you can't come up with a coherent response.

[The KG9 Kid]

Address this:

Dr. John Nichols and Dr. John Lattimer independently did extensive shooting tests with Mannlicher-Carcano rifles and the same lots of ammo that Oswald used. Lattimer summarized the results:

Our final question concerned Oswald's ammunition: Was it reliable? To test this, we fired 700 rounds of the same type of cartridge as those used by Oswald (from sub-lots 6000, 6001, 6002, 6003), manufactured by the Western Cartridge Company, a branch of the Winchester Repeating Arms Company, in the same year as those used by Oswald.

None of these rounds failed to fire, even though an additional four years had elapsed since the Kennedy shooting, making this ammunition thirteen years old at the time of the testing. Dr. John Nichols had reported the same degree of dependability, and the FBI agents [and Army shooters] who fired ammunition from lots 6000 and 6003 with Oswald's rifle more than 100 times also reported no failures to fire. These various samples represented every lot manufactured, so they much have included the lot from which Oswald's ammunition came.

In all, more than 900 rounds of this Western Cartridge Company 6.5 mm. ammunition have been fired in our experiments and those of others without a single failure to fire on the first attempt. (Kennedy and Lincoln, pp. 288-289)

In separate tests for the Warren Commission, the Infantry Weapons Evaluation Branch of the U.S. Army fired another 47 bullets, with no misfires. (3H449)