Posted on 10/25/2006 7:54:41 AM PDT by BILL_C
The time allowed for the shooting was 8 seconds, contrary to popular conspiracy notions. The target vehicle was approximately 44 yards away from Oswald's position at the closest, and 88 yards at the longest. From his vantage point, the motorcade was moving almost directly away from his position in his 4x scope's target reticle. Moreover, a misadjustment on the mounted scope's shims (since lost in FBI custody) actually contributed to aiding mechanical 'windage' in the direction of the motorcade's path of travel. Are you saying that your proficiency with firearms has not yet enabled you to accomplish a two-shot group of eight inches on a practically stationary target at an average range of 60 yards? Oswald missed once, probably because his initial round struck the limb of a tree in his path, but the other two rounds hit within eight inches of one another at 60 yards.
Summary of Oswald's performance: Three shots, one visible miss, two hits in an eight inch group at 60 yards through a four-power scope. Is that such an astonishing display of shooting? You really admit that you cannot even come close to that level of achievement?
Also, why would an ex Marine choose a cheap bolt action Italian Rifle to use in an assassination attempt. He knew weapons and had fired good weapons in his training.
In this case, 'Cheap' means 'inexpensive', not a indication of the rifle's quality. There's evidence and testimony of Oswald being a notorious cheapskate with his meager finances for years leading up to the assassination. He was lucky to be working menial jobs that came his way during his early married years. His pistol was a cheap (and even a piece of crap, unlike his Mannlicher-Carcano), yet he murdered officer Tippet with it from conversational range. How come no-one doubts Oswald's hangunning skills?
The logical choice would have been an M1-Garand Model D. Eight shots, semiautomatic, with an 8 round inblock clip. It has a sniper scope and would be accurate enough at the distances for these shots. To fire at a moving target with a scoped bolt action rifle, chamber a new round and acquire the target again is not going to happen in 0.7 seconds.
Interesting that you mention that. Oswald bought his 'Carcano from Klein's Sporting Goods in via mail order after seeing this advertisement. Notice the price difference between the 'Carcano he bought versus the M1 Garand just above it in the advertisement. Adjusted for inflation, that M1 Garand would cost $600-$800 in today's money -- somewhat in line with the price of a surplus M1 Garand these days that's not sold through the CMP program. That's a high price to pay for a surplus rifle, and it's not even an 'M1D' model with the special receiver and M81/M82 scope. Also, the Federal CMP program had not yet begun to sell surplus M1 Garands to civilians in 1963 -- We were still shipping them to Greece, South Korea, the Philippines, and Honduras and so forth. Moreover, M1D rifles still cost a premium at the time. Have you seen how much an M1D sells for today? Last decent one I saw cost about $5500, and that was in 'NRA Good' condition.
Again, your stated timing is incorrect. Oswald had over 8 seconds to fire three shots, cycling twice. It was replicated by marksmen of the time including FBI and civilian CMP shooters, some of whom were Distinguished Expert level as well as those who shot the equivalent of Oswald's USMC basic training 'Sharpshooter' score of 212. By the way, if Oswald would have shot eight measly points higher in basic training, he'd have been awarded the 'Expert Rifleman' proficiency badge. I personally shot 221 in USMC boot camp, only nine points higher than Oswald on precisely the identical qualification regimen, and barely made 'Expert' by the skin of my teeth. The difference between our two scores is only the difference between a calm day and a windy day at qualification.
The last thing that bothers me is Jack Ruby. The Kennedys had cracked down on the Mafia. Why would a low level Mafia criminal kill the man that had just killed the President that was destroying his organization?
Jack Ruby was in the Mafia? He was a over-emotional street tough who grew up to own a few titty bars in the Dallas area. He might seem to you like a Mafia member who walked out of central casting, but there was no evidence that Jack Rubenstein was actually in the Mafia. The closest link that investigators made to Jack Ruby and the Dallas mob was that a competitor of his ran a strip club across town.
Read 'Case Closed' by Gerald Posner, then re-read it again and again. The book demolishes concepts and theories that conspiracy buffs have been fiddling with for decades. It shows where they're wrong, where they've invented evidence, and planted false information in the mids of the casually interested to support their otherwise unsupportable claims. The book shows how conspiracy buffs continally have changed or abandoned their stories and worked in collusion with one another in conferences and symposiums to keep this stupid conspiracy myth alive over the years.
"Morgue photo's don't lie."
Let's not throw glass stones on typos, okay?
Oops, that should have been stones FROM glass houses. See how easy it is?
If he was a radical leftwing nutcase, then how did he
a) get stationed on a forward airbase in Japan that had recon flights into the Soviet Union.
b) go to the Soviet Union (the "defection") with a 1200 ticket from a 200 bank account
c) get back in the States, paid for by uncle sam, bring his sweetheart, and more importantly, not get charged with treason
d) get involved in a ruckous with Anti-Castro Cubans that was later determined to be orchestrated by New Orleans Police....
I'm not a tinfoil wearer, nor do I care much for Oliver Stone and his "investigative directing," but common sense tells me to search the facts whereever they may lead...
Oswald was an intelligence officer of the US Government, and was till the day he died. He may have been in deep cover. But if we go by the evidence of the Zapruder film, and the Dallas Police sound recording, none of the shots from the Texas School Book Depository could have been fatal to Kennedy. The fatal shot sent him back and to the right, which meant the fatal shot came from the front and left of the motorcade, from either the Grassy Knoll.
Peter Jennings last major act before pushing dasies by denying Newton's first law of motion and third law of thermodynamics proves that there's been a nasty cover-up the last forty years, with dark elements of the government, and willing accomplices in the Judiciary and the drive-by media.
Shot one (missses motorcade completely--TSBD)
Shot two (strikes Kennedy in the neck--GK)
Shot three (again misses motorcade completely richohet and hit man standing by overpass--TSBD)
Shot four (Hits governor Conally in the back exits hits him in the wrist--TSBD)
Shot five (Misses again found in the dirt later--GK)
motorcade slows to ten mph--big mistake...
Shot six (Fatal shot to Kennedy in the head--GK)
Remember the reason for a group of conspiritors shooting in Dealy Plaza was to have a triangulation of gunfire, a killing zone of three rifles. The TSBD was the worst place to fire any shot and hit, and impossible for the fatal shot to hit, given foliage at the time. The Daltex building may have been a good shot, but all the trajectories involved account only for shots from the TSBD and the Grassy Knoll, that snipers nest may have been meant for a spotter.
Oswald's rifle was total garbage. It might have been effective as a club but even the authorities were afraid to fire it for fear it would blow up in their faces.
In addition, as found it was incapable of accurate fire until the US Army Ordinance Laboratory fixed it.
Haldeman said in his book Ends of Power, that "the bay of pigs" was the code word Nixon used to describe the events in Dallas.
Source? Try this:
"Most things about Jack Ruby were all talk. "
Your link says it all.
Man, good 'gotcha'. It's late and my typo twitter goes high about this time of day.
Hey SoCal,
I wuz gonna say somthin but that SoCal Pubbie guy might get hot.
LOL
Been up since 4:30, and I'm old.
Past my noon nap time. I'm allowed.
I ain't hot, just amused at the spelling police. Especially at the self offenders.
On the other hand, one can spend a lot of time arguing whether color or colour is the correct spelling and lose focus of the main point. Kind of like the airliner cabin crew who spent so much time with a malfunctioning warning light that thye flew their L1011 into a swamp.
In a plot to assassinate the president of the United States, there was just no way that any of the actors were going to be named. Hence, the radical and immediate order to Ruby to get 'er done.
It seems to me that a key, really the only key issue left, is, "why do the conspirators keep silence now?"
Although I think this is an important part of the story, I wanted to limit the focus to just HOW JOHN CONNALLY was shot. Once that is credible to you, then the question; there had to be a conspiracy not only with multiple shooters, WHO had the power to pull this off?
There is ONLY one reasonable answer to that, and it's the President, Lyndon Johnson. You may remember after Lyndon became President, he made J. Edgar Hoover FBI Director for LIFE! Quite a payoff, woundn't you say, for someone who was going to be put out to pasture IF JFK would have been re-elected.
Now, WHY are they quiet? IF you are familiar with Billy Sol Estes, then you know he has written about this very topic. Mac Wallace, a killer with ties to LBJ, talks freely about it BUT the mainstream press ignores Estes. WHY? He's a criminal, so his word is not to be trusted.
If you want to know more, it's out there. For instance, Estes said Clark Clifford (LBJ aide, and I hope I am remembering his name correctly?) went to Estes just days before he died and told Estes about MORE killings than just JFK, LBJ's sister and boyfried, agricultural agent Henry Marshall (who shot himself FIVE TIMES with a bolt action rifle which was ruled a suicide in Texas, no evidence taken). Lyndon Johnson was about to go to jail for various crimes including murder. WIth JFK's death, he became President instead.
People talked, people died. The television show GUILTY MEN did a decent presentation but was removed from the air.
The vast majority of witnesses at the time stated the shots came from direction of the TSBD building. There were no shots form any other place.
REPLY:
The VAST majority of the witnesses were at the other end of the plaza where the TSBD is near.
BUT there are SEVERAL WITNESSES who said TWO shots were fired from the front. That adds to three plus two = FIVE.
That agrees with the Dallas Police Recording of FIVE.
That agrees with other analysis which said you need six shots and three different shooters. I showed that Connally was wounded TWICE, once by the wound to his left leg, and then the shot to his back.
You can see it, people heard and testified that's what they heard, and Connally said he was knocked forward by the shot.
I say it's NOW obvious.
Regards
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