Actually, there are a few here with their personal axes to grind who insist it is the norm.
Hey, all I have is my own experiences to base my conclusion on.
And in my personal experience it happened to me 100% of the time.
I'm sorry you feel it's an axe to grind. If I hadn't believed it wasn't, I wouldn't have done the research around town to find out how normal it is has become. It isn't just my soapbox, I want it to stop. I apologize to all and withdraw from the threads concerning Duke with the sincere hope the boys receive justice.