Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

'60 Minutes' interviews Duke lacrosse defendants (DukeLax Ping)
Durham Herald-Sun ^ | October 11, 2006 | John Stevenson

Posted on 10/11/2006 1:52:56 AM PDT by abb

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 361-380381-400401-420 ... 801-814 next last
To: Jezebelle

I believe the trip to Kroger is part of the AV's police statement.


381 posted on 10/13/2006 2:18:44 PM PDT by ltc8k6
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 379 | View Replies]

To: Howlin
http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/10/follow-money.html

http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/10/campaign-finance-follow-ups.html

382 posted on 10/13/2006 2:18:44 PM PDT by Ken H
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 378 | View Replies]

To: Ken H

Ed Bradley apparently said that Dave Evan's dental floss was also in the bathroom trash can with the finger nails.

This from posters who saw Ed on with Hannah Storm.


383 posted on 10/13/2006 2:27:21 PM PDT by ltc8k6
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 382 | View Replies]

To: Ken H


Where are Nancy Grace and Wendy Murphy and the other HOHs on this?


384 posted on 10/13/2006 2:28:35 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 382 | View Replies]

To: Fido969

AWOL.


385 posted on 10/13/2006 2:30:11 PM PDT by Howlin (Why Won't Nancy Pelosi Let Louis Freeh Investigate the Page Scandal?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 384 | View Replies]

To: Locomotive Breath; Howlin

Two pingers are preferred to one by me. While Howlin stays up odd hours like me, two pingers get us all pinged as timely as possible.


386 posted on 10/13/2006 2:30:50 PM PDT by JLS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 366 | View Replies]

To: Howlin

They wouldn't, but they should have. Usually, because witness identifiactions are not wholly reliable, especially in a case where the alleged victim was under the influence and/or has at least twice failed to pick the person out of previous line-ups (be they standing or photo), a good investigator would confront the suspect with the identiofication and ask them if there's anything he (the suspect) wants to tell him, and then escalate the interview from there to an interrogation. A good investigator would seek any alibi the suspect might have, and then work on verifying or eliminating that alibi in order to determine if this was a viable suspect or not.

You see, the fact that none of that was done clearly demonstrates that all they were looking for was a prima facie case so they could indict anybody who was warm and breathing instead of the right person (assuming that a crime had actually occurred, of course). By not interviewing him, they relieve themselves of the necessary follow-up so they can just go with the identification to present to the Durham Grand Jury. It's then their burden to decide if there's enough cause to believe there was a crime and that the persons named in the indictment are more likely than not responsible for it. That way, Liefong and his cohorts have a panoply of other people to blame, and we already see that coming out in Baker's recent statements that blame Mangum and others for lying to the cops. She's one (deserving) scapegoat, and the grand jury will soon become another.

All Lifong had to do was ensure that professional investigative steps were ignored in order to get the indictments with a straight face. Grand jurors are notoriously dumb and clueless about the original purpose of grand juries and what their role, responsibilities and powers are. They're usually a bunch of dumbass bumpkins.

One thing I hope comes of this case is a media investigation and public airing of the (indicting) grand jury process so that people on future (indicting) grand juries will come to it with an understanding of what they are really there for, and it certainly is NOT to serve as a rubber stamp to the Mike Nifongs of this world.


387 posted on 10/13/2006 2:32:35 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 349 | View Replies]

To: Ken H

Thanks, Ken!


388 posted on 10/13/2006 2:34:08 PM PDT by Howlin (Why Won't Nancy Pelosi Let Louis Freeh Investigate the Page Scandal?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 382 | View Replies]

To: JLS

Exactly.


389 posted on 10/13/2006 2:34:44 PM PDT by Howlin (Why Won't Nancy Pelosi Let Louis Freeh Investigate the Page Scandal?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 386 | View Replies]

To: bjc

Well, not so fast. NC has some unusual laws and the particular indicting grand jury system they use leaves the people ripe for this kind of abuse. This case presented a perfect storm of political circumstances, personalities and events converging within a rather unusual legal system that allowed this travesty to be set into motion and move forward judicially unchecked. In other words, most other states have checks and balances that would have derailed this before it got anywhere near this far down the road.


390 posted on 10/13/2006 2:39:38 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 357 | View Replies]

To: Jezebelle

Otherwise known as "plausible deniability".


391 posted on 10/13/2006 2:39:40 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 387 | View Replies]

To: JLS

LOL! I don't see any reason why your points, all of which I agree with, and mine can't co-exist quite happily. Consider this, in view of my point: If Liefong believed a crime had actually occurred, there would be no reason NOT to go ahead, investigate it, and put together a solid case instead of a house of cards. Right? :>


392 posted on 10/13/2006 2:45:11 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 360 | View Replies]

To: Locomotive Breath

I agree. It's a peripheral incident.


393 posted on 10/13/2006 2:47:11 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 363 | View Replies]

To: Sue Perkick

Wiehl is a lefty. Believing a rape occurred fits her life-view paradigm.


394 posted on 10/13/2006 2:49:56 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 372 | View Replies]

To: Fido969

The false allegations don't originate with LE or the judges, and they aren't making the laws. Legislatures make laws, which brings us to the political arena. Don't blame LE for what happens in legislatures.

As far as a crisis in the justice system goes, I would say that most of those occur in the judiciary in relation to inadequate sentencing.

I, too, have been there and wore the T-shirt for 32 years, so please spare your scolding.


395 posted on 10/13/2006 2:53:36 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 373 | View Replies]

To: Howlin

I'll find it. It's in this thread somewhere.


396 posted on 10/13/2006 2:55:23 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 378 | View Replies]

To: ltc8k6

That's my point. Mangum said it, not Kim. So how does Wiehl claim Kim has changed her story? She's spinning.


397 posted on 10/13/2006 2:58:25 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 380 | View Replies]

To: Ken H

Thanks, Ken. I was going to find that for Howlin, but you've already done it.


398 posted on 10/13/2006 2:59:03 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 382 | View Replies]

To: ltc8k6

Yes, I know. We were talking about the relevance and motivation of Kim's 911 call.


399 posted on 10/13/2006 3:00:52 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 381 | View Replies]

To: Jezebelle
The false allegations don't originate with LE or the judges, and they aren't making the laws. Legislatures make laws, which brings us to the political arena. Don't blame LE for what happens in legislatures.

No offense, but the legislatures are making laws that make it a crime to make false charges. The DAs though aren't prosecuting them and the judges aren't punishing them.

400 posted on 10/13/2006 3:01:53 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 395 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 361-380381-400401-420 ... 801-814 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson