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To: Dukie07
The good v. the bad. At Duke good second choice non-Ivy academics, good mens and womens basketball, oops. Wait a second the real issue should be balancing the good and the bad UNIQUE to the Duke Durham situation. Since their are hundreds of colleges and universities in the US, some with a better academic reputation than Duke and others with a worse academic reputation than Duke, the academics are NOT unique. [Well they are unique in counting 3 hour courses as 4 hours so you don't take as many courses and learn as much at Duke, but since parents don't get a discount for fewer contact hours that does not matter.]

Still what do we have that is unique?

1. Academics? Nope, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Berkley, Michigan etc are better. Vandy, Wash U., Chicago, UCLA, Emory etc are about the same. The list of places as good or better than Duke runs to 50 or so.

2. Location? Certainly every location is unique. I lived there for a while 20+ years ago and it did not seem special. Durham does not sound any more like a unique plus now to me based on what I have read on this board. Certainly someone going to Duke might go to Johns Hopkins, UVa, Georgetown, and various other private and public schools, if midAtlanta is important to one.

3. Sports? Duke is good in mens and womens basketball, terrible in football and from this list I know pretty good in lacrosse. There are 100s of schools with that profile in sports. Combining sports and academics, Duke does not match up with UND, Stanford, Michigan etc.

4. Prestige? Again, Duke is a second choice school. Duke is NOT Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford etc. And can you imagine the Cambridge DA prosecuting three MIT students on trumped up charges like this? How about Princeton NJ DA?

Nope what makes Duke UNIQUE right now is that you might send your child there and if you child fits the DAs reelection needs you will have spent 10s of thousands of dollar to put them in danger of a long prison sentence that will essentially void the market value of that education. And where is Duke on this? Does Duke have the prestige even in Durham to bring some sanity to this. Apparently not. Does Duke have the leadership to do anything about this? Apparently not. This is part of why Harvard is Harvard and Duke is Duke. And of course Duke has no reason to perform if everyone send their children back into this abusive situation.

I do agree with you the voter registration thing is a symptom the problems at Duke not a cause. BTW, the time to publicly try to bring sanity to this is before the election. After the election is the time to be quietly working behind the scene.
78 posted on 10/02/2006 4:54:53 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

Your entire statement is subjective. There are other places better than Duke "to you." Your Duke hate is no secret to anyone here. I do have to wonder why you go on and on so, though? It's weird to me. Whatever.

I don't think one can make a blanket statement that one university is better than another. It depends on the individual and what is being studied. The perfect fit for one student may not be the perfect fit for another. Believe it or not, someone who cares a little less about "prestige" and a little more about being in the right school could actually pick Duke over Harvard. And, yes, I do still think Duke can be the right school for many reasons.

So, prestige aside, what should one consider? Yale may have a department that is better than Harvard in a particular discipline. Cornell may have a school that's better than Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Duke and just about anyone else. Certainly, what you plan to major in and how a particular school ranks in that discipline is key in making your choice. My student applied to schools with a great reputation in the discipline being pursued. Student was accepted at 12 very fine universities - some of them even on your "good list."

Living conditions plays a part. On campus or off? Cold winters or mild? Near the ocean or near the mountains?

Student body plays a part. My student did not want to go to a school where the students were competitive to the point of being cut-throat.

I totally disagree with your statement that Stanford academics outshine Duke academics. I went to Stanford, I did not want my student to go there as an undergrad. Heavy on prestige; light on learning. (Sorry fellow Cards.) As I've noted before, and as the parent of a current Stanford student has acknowledged - lots of TA's, some of whom can barely speak English. You know how they say that Cornell is "Easy to get into, hard to get out of?" With Stanford, it's the opposite.

Sports was not a factor for my student in making a choice.

Money? Costs me less to send my student to Duke than it would have to send my student to Cal. (But, gee, William Hung would have been a classmate at Cal!) Schools with great endowments can be a plus.

And whether you like it or not, Duke does have prestige. Again, maybe not to you, but to enough so that your opinion does not matter.

I am not going to comment on voter registration at Duke because I have no idea how many students will or will not register to vote in Durham. I will say that I don't think it's right to expect the student body to do the work that the citizens of Durham should be doing. Can we and they do what we can to help educate Durham voters? As long as it's not done in an "in your face" or "how stupid can you be?" manner, absolutely. And I will concede that your statement that the time to work behind the scenes is after the election is idealistically appropriate - although I believe most political maneuvers take place behind the scenes period.




85 posted on 10/02/2006 9:48:04 PM PDT by Dukie07
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To: JLS

You can't possibly be serious, fifty schools better than Duke!! Of couse, I went to Duke so I am biased, but I also attended two other top schools, know tons of Duke alums and alums from other schools and know the prestige factor as well. By any measure, Duke is one of the top twenty universities and almost certainly one of the top ten including academic excellence.

One thing that has always bugged the Duke haters (including the Duke students who have a chip on their shoulder because they are not walking around Cambridge), the same thing that makes the current Duke president such an anomaly, is its origin. Duke grew around the idea of producing talented professionals and not egghead academics. As such, from the start, it lacked (which I always liked) the egghead mentality that so deformed other schools. It is true, for many years that the focus on doing hurt the schools image and Duke has aped its northeastern competitors in a succesful effort to boost its image and actual studies.

But, despite these changes, it is the same Duke, a school and university different from other schools.


You have everything backwards. The media jumped all over this scandal precisely because Duke is special, both in image and in practice. Do you really think that an alleged rape at Wash U or Emory would be on the cover of Newsweek? Of course not.


118 posted on 10/04/2006 6:05:51 PM PDT by streeeetwise
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To: JLS
The same Duke bashing post again and again and again. Have you anything else? ANYTHING? Are you sure you're not a 'bot.

Let me save you some typing by taking care of your next 10 posts

Duke delenda est
Duke delenda est
Duke delenda est
Duke delenda est
Duke delenda est
Duke delenda est
Duke delenda est
Duke delenda est
Duke delenda est
Duke delenda est

There. All set.
119 posted on 10/04/2006 6:31:12 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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