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To: Virginia-American
"not random" isn't the same as "(IE, designed or something)". It's just not random; some combinations of genes favor survival and reproduction, and some don't. "The race is not always to the swiftest, but that's the wy to bet."

Yes it is. Not random means there is a aim, reason, or pattern - which is not true for Natural Selection. NS has no aim, no reason, no pattern and nothing to apply an aim, reason , or pattern.

Natural Selection is little more than an observation in the past tense - it is not a force that has aim, reason, or pattern therefore it is random.

I am guessing some Darwinists find comfort in thinking Natural Selection is not random?

302 posted on 09/22/2006 12:26:07 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
Natural Selection is little more than an observation in the past tense

Selection is conceptually different from other kinds of causation, but it is, nevertheless, entirely within the realm of natural causes studied by physics and chemistry. It is conceptually no different from learning.

308 posted on 09/22/2006 12:31:57 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: Last Visible Dog
Not random means there is a aim, reason, or pattern - which is not true for Natural Selection

Isn't a hawk eating dark rabbits on the snow a pattern? Why not? Not all the dark one are food, and not all the white ones escape, but there is still a pattern there. It's rather like tossing loaded dice. You don't always win, but you win more than you lose.

Natural Selection is little more than an observation in the past tense - it is not a force that has aim, reason, or pattern therefore it is random.

Remember the peppered moths? That was testing natural selection in action; there was nothing post-hoc involved.

I am guessing some Darwinists find comfort in thinking Natural Selection is not random?

I don't think we're communicating. If the hawk picked light and dark rabbits with equal probability, that's lacking a pattern; but if it feeds on those it can see easier, that's a pattern. Are you using the words the same way I am?

314 posted on 09/22/2006 1:01:05 PM PDT by Virginia-American (What do you call an honest creationist? An evolutionist.)
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