[betty boop]

Two things I am quite certain of: 1) materialism is false (ie, it doesn't tell the whole story), 2) the presuppositions of evolutionary scientists color everything they do, and many / most are incapable of even acknowledging that they have presuppositions, let alone are they able to rationally discuss them, and this is a problem.

Actually, Conservative Dude, this is THE problem (i.e., the lack of acknowledgement of presuppositions, and so the inability to rationally discuss them).

I'm not familiar with Alvin Plantinga, but would like to be. Please may I have the source for his point about naturalism being self-defeating? I so agree with that assessment!

Thanks so much for your kind words!

[FreedomProtector]

Two things I am quite certain of: 1) materialism is false (ie, it doesn't tell the whole story), 2) the presuppositions of evolutionary scientists color everything they do, and many / most are incapable of even acknowledging that they have presuppositions, let alone are they able to rationally discuss them, and this is a problem.


perhaps worth adding to that....

3) Materialist presuppositions result in conclusions which are contradictory to the world. The Materialist cannot be consistent to the logic of their presuppositions, because the materialist lives in a reality which was made by something external to matter...God. This being so, Materialist is in a place of tension.

4) Materialists build up walls of protection to shield themselves from the point of tension. The materialist then erects barriers, even if completely irrational or improbable, to try to deal w/ the contradiction of how he observes the world.

5) We must lovingly and with true tears help to remove the shelter/roof and allow the truth of the created world to beat upon the materialist. Removing the irrational and improbable walls of protection is an important first step in communicating with people brainwashed by the materialism of the twentieth century.

[ConservativeDude]

Original argument is set forth in "Warrent and Proper Function":

http://www.amazon.com/Warrant-Proper-Function-Alvin-Plantinga/dp/0195078640/sr=1-1/qid=1158863944/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-5918534-0155219?ie=UTF8&s=books

Here is a collection of essays on Plantinga's argument:

http://www.amazon.com/Naturalism-Defeated-Plantingas-Evolutionary-Argument/dp/0801487633

Hope those Amazon links help!