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To: FreedomProtector
You offered: "Spontaneous generation is monumental problem for the evolutionist. The evolutionist has to accept it by faith, despite its incredibly low probability."

Not even remotely proper to assert ... the evolutionists need not accept or reject that which is not actually relevent to the processes they study. Abiogenesis is not the foundation upon which the processes of evolution rest. It would be just as senseless to assert that IDers must accept that at every change in life porocesses over the past 3.75 billion years, the designer poked His finger into the genome and cause the random changes thus no random changes occurred.

162 posted on 09/20/2006 8:44:57 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
The first idea one must accept if one presupposes that "matter is all there is" is that life arose spontaneously from non-living matter by natural random process. Either the first life came from non-life or it came from something outside of nature. Spontaneous generation is thus essential for the evolutionist. Evolution is was 'that links inorganic nature to life'.

"from the inorganic spontaneously, that is, without supernatural intervention and by the operation of material process, themselves of unknown origin, sometime during the first billion years or so of the earth's existence"

--George Gaylord Simpson

Without this concept, one will have to posulate a force outside the material world to explain the existence of the first life on earth. Any supernatural force would be in direct contradiction with the the presupposed atheistic theology and naturalistic philosophy. Therefore the evolutionist is left with the pre-scientific theory of spontaneous generation so fraught with difficulties that few scientists consider it science at all.

"Here we are, evolved though unaccounted ages from the inter-reaction of chemical and energies. Is this not the most awe-inspiring downright spine-tingling drama that can be conceived"

--Lloyd and Mary Morian


"The first living things were not anything so complex as a one celled organism, already a highly sophisticated form of life. The first stirrings wer much more humble. In early days, lightning and ultraviolet light from the Sun were breaking apart the simple hydrogen-rich molecules of the primitive atmosphere, the fragments spontaneously recombining into more and more complex molecules. The products of this early chemistry were dissolved in the oceans, forming a kind of organic soup of gradually increasing complexity, until one day, quite by accident, a molecule arose that the was able to make crude copies of itself, using building blocks other molecules in the soup."

--Carl Sagan


"Once upon a time, very long ago, perhaps two and half billion years ago, under a deadly sun, in an ammoniniated ocean topped by a poisonous atmopshere, in the midst of a soup of organic molecules, a nucleic acid molecule came accidentally into being that could somehow bring about the existence of another like itself--And from that all else would follow"

--Issac Asimov


'science' to many people has become synonymous with trying to explain the existence of the world with out God.


"It has become an accepted doctrine that life never arise except from life. So far as actual evidence goes, this is still the only possible conclusion. But since the conclusion that seems to lead back to some supernatural creative act, it is a conclusion that scientific men find very difficult of acceptance."

--J.W.N Sullivan


"It is essential for evolution to become the central core of any educational system, because it is evolution, in the broad sense, that links inorganic nature to life, and the stars with with earth, and matter and mind, and animals to man."

--Julian Huxley.


Any idea of a force outside of nature, i.e. God or supernatural does not fit into the worldview of one who presupposes that 'matter is all there is'. For this reason evolutionists start with the presupposition that evolution is a fact, and then make up atheistic fairy tales about the origin of life, and make a vain attempt to regulate the supernatural, i.e. God to the world of mythology. Either one believes in the mythology of spontaneous generation, or one believes that the first life was designed by an intelligent designer outside of nature...God.
167 posted on 09/21/2006 5:37:21 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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