Posted on 09/01/2006 10:19:41 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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Lacrosse players' defense: Documents being withheld |
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By William F. West : The Herald-Sun |
Then I'm confused about which motion, because there was something posted last week or about ten days ago.
I think Roberts and Mangum knew each other. They may have known each other by different aliases, but I think they knew each other. Attorney Mark Siemon, who's not the brightest bulb refers to the them as friends in an interview.
Many people took things for granted just because the media forwarded them as truths.
Look at what else they forwarded as fact: condoms, date-rape drugs, broomstick assaults, strangulations, requesting black strippers, non-cooperation of the team, evasiveness by the team, first 911 caller was not involved with Party, it was the woman's first time dancing, she had been beated terribly, she had vaginal and anal injuries, she was a good mother, Kim was looking out for her, etc, etc, etc.
They may even have had a contentious or competitive relationship - but I think they knew each other.
It appears these two women were prostitutes working the same area. From photographs, it also appears both were willing to engage in sex with other woman before audiences. I would think there would be ample opportunity for them to cross paths in the execution of their professional duties.
Brian Taylor's comments in the N&O don't make sense to me and why is he so guarded and so careful?
That N&O article also is problematic from another perspective - a major news outlet doesn't ask basic questions absolutely crucial to this case - like did they have sex or did they do drugs together? It doesn't tell us what Mr. Taylor does for a living or in what city he resides.
That article came out of nowhere and conveniently answered questions that were being asked and reinforced the date rape drug theory.
That article posed prompts many more questions than it answers.
Biggest evidence of no rape imo is that if CGM was being raped for 30 minutes, where the heck was Kimmie? Inside hearing nothing, or outside patiently waiting for someone she barely knew? Then there's the statement that makes the most sense--"If you can get her to the car, I'll get her out of here" or something along those lines. I'm sure Kim had no intention of being CGM's driver.
IIRC, these were observations we were discussing way back in the beginning. More evidence of no rape--the story hasn't gotten any more believable.
Crystal is a bigger woman than Kim, and it would have been difficult for Kim to pull Crystal out of the car and just dump her somewhere, anywhere. It would have taken some time for Kim to get Crystal out of the car. She would have had to have driven around looking for a place to do this, and she would have been worried about a cop suddenly coming up on her or somebody reporting her, especially if Crystal were to start yelling and screaming, and just being stopped driving around at that time of night would also be on her mind. When people have warrants out for their arrest that they want to avoid confronting, these are the kinds of considerations that go into their thinking.
Kroger's was her best shot because Crystal would be more likely to be willing to just get out because the store is open, there is a phone, people are around, etc., and it also provided Kim with a way to call the cops without having to use her own phone because she would not have wanted the cops to put that call together with her 9-1-1 call re the "frat house" epithets.
IIRC, the motion filed last Thursday, August 31, 2006 was the first motion filed since the July 21, 2006 motion. I've not been able to find the 8/31/06 motion online anywhere. I emailed Neff and asked him to put a copy online and I called Osborn's office and asked the secretary there to post it online. No luck so far...
http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-766289.html
http://www.kirkosborn.com/Motions/MotionforSettingDiscoveryDeadlines.pdf
Why was Kim stuck with Crystal? Was Kim told to drive her home from the beginning? I think someone should have been picking Crystal up. I don't think shw knew Kim either or Kim would not have blurted out "It's a crock" so quickly.
Once again, Kim knows a whole lot more than she's saying.
And there's this possibility.
Kim stole her stuff and is trying to get rid of her. She mostly naked with no underwear on.
She pulls over half way between the Frat house and Kroger and struggles to get the bigger woman out - She is successful - and a car approaches while Kim is near the naked Crystal. Kim then acts like she is helping Crystal into the Vehicle and hatches the idea that she told Police that she was mostly naked and on the street near Kroger.
A college kid could've even helped Kim put Crystal (back) into her car and then Kim drives her to the Kroger Parking lot.
This would account for Crystal's statements the Kim pushed her out of her car into the street.
See post #188 ...
How is Kim familiar with an off-duty police officer, and looks for him/her at Kroger's?
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/482567.html
Duke lacrosse team has first practice in five months
Statements:
Kim
Jariel Johnson
Himan
Shelton
etc.
http://www.kirkosborn.com/Motions/AmendmentToMotionToSuppressPhotographs.pdf
I wonder if 10 walk-ons is high? And how many of the 37 players on last year's team who didn't graduate, decided not to play this year or didn't return to Duke?
Amazing isn't it? Scary too. I mean, how often does this kind of thing go on? That guy was actually convicted and spent 20 months in jail. I sure hope that doesn't happen here.
She "shows up" at his apt.
He takes her to the party.
He does make it to the hospital the next morning,but does not get her kids.
A few blurbs in the paper.
The next we hear, he is driving Miss Medina.
They are both whores.
They danced at some of the same clubs.
They know the cops and the cops know them.
They have to know each other--how can they not? Dancing at the same club, they would almost have to.
Some of those clubs are like little Peyton Places.
I bet both have done a cop or 2.
A lawyer for an auto insurance company told me once how his own client's story was too neat - it answered every question before it was asked, etc. The guy was a model citizen, but his story was too accomodating in so many ways.
His suspicions turned out to be correct and he had fabricated an eloborate story.
I am reminded of this when I review what Brian Taylor has said on this case.
Kim was stuck with Crystal because she told the guys she'd get Crystal out of their hair. Remember, they left a whole lot earlier than originally scheduled, so that left Crystal with no ride. We know she made at least one call to her escort service before leaving the lax house, possibly looking for a ride.
I don't think there was a plan for Kim to drive her, and I don't think she knows much more than what she said to the cops the first time and what she said to the defense attorneys. She changed her tune after those interviews.
She probably isn't. She probably thought the security guards there were off-duty cops moonlighting for a security company, and then found that they were only security guards, not off-duty cops moonlighting.
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