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To: Renfield

"Women don't kill by ligature strangulation."

There's always a first time. However, here is how I see it having gone down. Patsy, in a fit, clobbers her kid over the head with a flashlight, mortally wounding her or outright killing her. Patsy's husband John does the ligature to cover up what actually happened. Or, in the alternative, they were both in on it together. But I believe Patsy was the prime mover here, and John Ramsey knew exactly where to go to "find" his daughter's body in the basement. No one entered that house. Either Patsy, her husband, both, or their son (highly unlikely) are the perpetrators. This was not an outside job, it was an inside one. All fingers point to Rome. The police have always maintained their air of suspicion towards the Ramsey family as the perpetrators. We'll probably never know the exact how of it, but at least one-half (and perhaps) the sole perpetrator of the death of their daughter now lies in a grave next to her victim.


157 posted on 08/20/2006 1:44:23 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: flaglady47
"...This was not an outside job, it was an inside one..." According to that show I saw last night, there were 18 (18!) unsolved break-ins in that part of Boulder, immediately prior to Jon-Benet's murder. Whoever broke into the houses took "little or nothing". Those break-ins were never solved.

Michael Helgoth's "hobby" was stalking people at night, while dressed in a black ninja suit. Within a year prior to Jon-Benet's murder, in the same neighborhood, someone in a black ninja suit broke into a home while the occupants were out, waited until everyone was in bed, and then crept into a young girl's room and began a sexual assault on her. The mother of the girl, who was a light sleeper, woke up and went to the girl's room, and confronted the intruder. He rushed past her and out the door. That intruder was never caught. Doesn't that intruder appear to be a more likely suspect than Patsy Ramsey?

158 posted on 08/20/2006 1:58:58 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: flaglady47

Michael Helgoth was obsessed with little girls. He had lots of videotapes of them. For a while, he moved in with a girlfriend who had a little girl. One day, she came home and found him naked in bed, with the girl on the bed. He told her he couldn't trust himself with the girl when he was by himself, and then she moved out.


159 posted on 08/20/2006 2:01:34 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: flaglady47

Couldn't have happend like that. The autopsy said she died of strangulation, not the hit on the head. And the hit on the head came close to death or right afterwards. If Patsey had hit her head as hard as it was hit there would have been blood everywhere and there wasn't any. The hit on her head was the last thing that happend, not the first.

Already your theory has holes in it which proves you really don't know for a "fact" like you do that Patsey murdered her daughter.

No one knows for fact who did this crime and I surely am not going to bash two parents who lost their daughter, cause if they were found to be actually innocent than it would just be salt poored into their wounds. That isn't fair. I think people need to stop pointing the finger at them unless they have real proof and frankly you don't see you haven't even read the autopsy. If you had you'd know the hit on Jonbenet's head came at the end, not at the beginning of the torture she went through.


161 posted on 08/20/2006 2:04:05 PM PDT by Halls (I'm a Texan, Christian, Wife, Mother, Singer, Conservative GAL!!)
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To: flaglady47

The ligature strangulation was done first...her heart had stopped before she was hit on the head....they didn't even know she was hit on the head until her autopsy because of no swelling or bleeding from the head wound.


162 posted on 08/20/2006 2:04:15 PM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero..............)
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To: flaglady47

The ligature was not placed to cover up anything. It cause petachial hemorrhaging on the poor baby's neck, face and eyes. She was strangled with that ligature. The blow to the head was at the time of death as it had very little time to bleed or cause swelling before her heart stopped pumping the blood that would cause bleeding and swelling.

It's far more likely that she got her head bashed fighting to live.

All that tying of knots, etc is not done in a fit. It is a calculated perverse and staged murder to gratify the killer's perverse needs.


211 posted on 08/20/2006 4:48:42 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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