Posted on 08/20/2006 5:37:25 AM PDT by Rte66
For your bookmarking assistance, this is a reference list of links to the Aug 2006 or newer Free Republic threads on the topic of the JonBenet Ramsey murder case and the possible arrest of John Mark Karr as a suspect in her murder.
Closer to the base of the neck, with the front of the ligature being below the Adams apple. The point being it was not up under the jawline where most stranglings occur.
I believe, until I hear differently, that it was a slip knot. I'm in the minority, I realize and will certainly concur if I have different info in the *next* 7 years or so.
The autopsy photos don't include a shot with the garrot still intact, so all I can do is go by what a typical garrot is and how it's applied. Plus the depth of the rope in her neck, which is amazing. Again, we're talking about a tender six-year-old neck, not an older child or adult.
I am originally a city girl who has now lived in the country for quite some time. We have acreage and my husband and I talked about raising a couple of calves years ago. We decided that they would most like end up as pets and we would get too attached to them and could never send them off to the butcher. My neighbor raises a few calves each year and they are just so cute except when they get into my veggie garden and start munching everything. They have escape from their property many times and it is hard to get a nearly full size cow out your garden.
I *think* "organization" means the beginnings of the healing process which is usually more or less instant. But I'm not sure. If the total amount of bleeding (internal + external) was less than 2 spoonfuls then her heart must have stopped within seconds. I don't see any other way...
JonBenet was raped with the paint brush handle. That's where the paint came from.
Oh, that must have come out recently, then. All I ever heard was birefringent cellulose, whic was presumed to be clear shellac.
I had no idea what context that question was framed within.
You're not looking at the same photos I am, evidently.
Something about *that* was white paint on JonBenet's body. This suggestion was repulsive to John ("disgustingly sick") so it can't be paint on the sill.
I just wondered if anyone recalls any reports from way back then about white paint on her body. Maybe someone else will see my post and remember. I couldn't find anything on a google search.
I've been reading that transcript for hours and I'm learning of an awful lot of clues. It's tedious to go through it all but wow, lot's of info that I haven't seen elsewhere.
I would agree that her case is unique. I think the killer is particularly proud of this case. I'm not saying it's Karr. I'm not convinced of that yet. There are so many unsolved cases that I'm not so sure he's not done it again. Child molester's don't alway use the same M.O. Westley Alan Dodd is a good example. Amber Haggerman's killer has also never been caught and no other cases quite match her's either.
My feeling about 'whodunit' is that there is a mountain of forensics and physical evidence pointing to inside the family. I haven't yet found a shred of objective evidence for an intruder. I've heard lots of theories about one, and many of them DO make sense, I just haven't seen anything I would call objective evidence. The question in my mind is, "is it possible to place the forensics in an alternate scenario involving an intruder"? I think the answer is yes, but the probability diminishes as I learn more about the case.
Then again, I wouldn't make a good juror either b/c my bar for conviction would be high. That's why I want to be very careful not to ACCUSE PR or any of the Ramseys of anything. I think most juries, if it hadn't been for the RSM (Ramsey Spin Machine), would have convicted PR easily. They do it in thousands of other cases with less evidence.
So far, the JMK situation hasn't told me jack. That could change, but so far, nothing. If he can conjure up the missing end of the paint brush, or pony up matching DNA, or whatever, that would change. In other words, objective evidence not based on theories and interpretations of fact. But I haven't seen it yet.
Did you see my post about the 16 or so questions regarding the evidence? I think most of them constitute objective evidence pointing to inside the family. That's all we have so far.
You said it yourself. Underlying all of it is rage. Serial killers of the type you describe usually work up to the worst forms of their depravity. Their first killings often are not as depraved as their later killings.
I've always had a fascination with the Jack the Ripper killings. He is acknowledged as history's first serial killer, in the modern sense of that term. The wild blood-lust depravity of his last killing as compared to his first is a perfect example.
These human monsters need to do worse and worse things to get the same amount of satisfaction from the act. They don't stop killing until something or someone stops them.
Whatever else we can say about the Ramsey killing, it does seem to be a single act. That seems to argue against the perp being a serial killer. But it always has to be stipulated that, without more information, we just may never know the truth. Until we do, anyone else's theories are as valid as my own.
I had heard that theory on the forumsforjustice page. It does make sense. Disguntingly, it also makes the tip end of the paintbrush a 'trophy'. Conversely, it could make it Exhibit A for child abuse if it was found with blood all over it. Did you hear about that national body of pathologists that looked at all the evidence and said that she was chronically abused? It's on that wiki website.
Wasn't that the paint on the floor right outside the cellar room. I know she picked up green paint from there, also.
Oh we are definately attached to Brownie. She will always be a pet. We have about 27 head of cattle. They're all girls, so we don't intend to eat them. We sell the babies when they get big enough.
We have horses, mini horses and goats too. My favorite though is my great big collie named Daisy.
One of the forensic guys over the years pointed out that the sulci were just starting to narrow and the gyri to flatten, indicating the start of swelling up against the skull, but only slightly.
You and I share the same fundamental opinion about this case, even if we interpret the occasional detail differently. I also won't jump on the Karr bandwagon without hard, substantive evidence.
BTW, the coroner DID find a swath of blood stain on her thigh that had been wiped clean. This could have come from the paintbrush.
Either that, or we are interpreting some of the details differently. Nothing wrong with that and, in fact, differences of opinion are to be expected in this confusing, difficult case.
Yes, I think we're on the same page about this.
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