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To: ml1954
The argument presupposes a creator that was not created.

The Kalam Cosmological Argument (q.v., explained at the bottom of Post #181) does nothing of the sort.

You are mistaken: It makes no attempt to cover the issue of a creator. It merely is a mechanism to make it patently obvious that our own universe...had to have been created.

The implication, however, is that someone, or something had to have caused this act of creation. In other words, OURS IS A CREATED UNIVERSE.

The KCA offers logical proof of this. It has never been refuted, and it dates back many centuries.

(Q.v., last part of Post #181, read it carefully.)

329 posted on 08/04/2006 11:08:46 AM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: sauron

You are mistaken:

Nope. The argument presupposes a creator that was not created. Think about this carefully.

346 posted on 08/04/2006 12:20:59 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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