[sauron]

Whatever begins to exist has a cause of existence.

This premise is empirically false, hence the remainder of the kalam argument is worthless.

Sorry, but the finest thinkers in all human societies disagree with you, and you are out of step with them.

The Kalam C.A. has withstood many centuries of testing, and though there have been other cosmological arguments, the KCA is considered the best. It holds together, and even the most hardened atheists have traditionally conceded the point.

Google it.

Sauron

[Senator Bedfellow]

What "the finest thinkers" think is wholly irrelevant - you do know what "empirically false" means, right? It means that there have been observed cases where that proposition is not true - i.e., there are cases where something has begun to exist with no cause for its existence. It really doesn't matter whether all the world's finest thinkers tell me that a rock will always fall upward when dropped, because the proposition is empirically false on its face. Causality is not a universal principle - there exist effects without causes, and such causeless events happen all around you, during every minute of every hour of every day.

All I can suggest is that perhaps the "finest thinkers" aren't quite as fine as they're touted to be, in such a case, although I suppose we can allow that the kalam argument is the pinnacle of Islamic theology. Which is really quite sad in its own way, considering how bankrupt the argument is.