[metmom]

So what evidence is there that the universe did indeed create itself? What is the basis for your statement? You know, something scientific, testable, falsifiable, repeatable, observable. There must be some reason that you make that statement.

[jwalsh07]

Mind if I answer?

None, nada, zippo!

[ml1954]

So what evidence is there that the universe did indeed create itself? What is the basis for your statement? You know, something scientific, testable, falsifiable, repeatable, observable. There must be some reason that you make that statement.

Define 'universe'.

[bobdsmith]

So what evidence is there that the universe did indeed create itself? What is the basis for your statement? You know, something scientific, testable, falsifiable, repeatable, observable. There must be some reason that you make that statement.

None, just as there is no evidence that it has a creator. Once you step outside methodlogical naturalism literally anything is possible and therefore there is not an ounce of certainty in any particular explaination.

[sauron]

So what evidence is there that the universe did indeed create itself? What is the basis for your statement? You know, something scientific, testable, falsifiable, repeatable, observable. There must be some reason that you make that statement.

The universe DID NOT create itself. The KCA implies that it couldn't have (see post #181).

Because God is outside of this universe, He Himself is not scientifically testable, because we are limited in our scope of observation, and this universe has limitations imposed by natural laws. Hence, He is inherently unknowable, outside of the following:

1. Special revelation.

2. General revelation.

Any other Christians want to take this up and explain the difference between #1 and #2 for me to this heathen mob? ;)

Sauron (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. --unknown)