Problem being that if you are going to talk about things happening "outside" the universe then you have no reason to think that logic itself holds in such situation and certainly no reason to think that laws we have derived from this universe would apply.
Whatever begins to exist has a cause of existence.
How do we know? Is it necessarily true? Even if it is true of everything witnessed in this universe, that doesn't mean it is true of things "outside" our universe. It isn't even more likely. It is a big unknown.
Also how can that statement be accepted and applied to "outside" the universe without also applying this one:
Whatever exists has a cause of existance
Is that not equally as true within our universe as the one above? So why not apply this one to outside our universe as well? Of course this one would also imply the creator must have a cause of existance which is why I suppose it is ignored..
But anyway all these proofs and evidences are just wordplay. The fact is that anything is possible "outside" our universe, infinites, causeless effects, self caused effect, etc. Anything. Because nothing in this universe necessarily reflects the outside.
That's not a factual statement, it's a statement of faith. Not that I mind since I see faith as a plus mind you.
The fact is that anything is possible "outside" our universe, infinites, causeless effects, self caused effect, etc. Anything. Because nothing in this universe necessarily reflects the outside.
Precisely. That's what we Christians say about our God. He exists outside this universe, is timeless, is eternal, immutable, yet immanent with this universe. He possesses properties that simply are not describable in any normal sense.
There has to have been a Great Uncaused First Cause. It won't turn out to be a thing, but a BEING. God.
Why?
Because things (universes) don't create THINGS. Beings create things, in the end. It's all about ORIGINS.
Sauron