Are you just lazy, ml1954?
Read the Kalam Cosmological Argument. It's thorough, plain, but a bit difficult for most people to understand, until they try.
Are you just lazy, ml1954?
LOL. Sorry. I guess I should have been more explicit.
The argument presupposes a creator that was not created.
I thought js1138 pointed that out in his post #183 better than I when he posted "Well something seems to have created itself."
Perhaps you should give us your defintion of 'universe'.