I missed the 2008 ref. What's that about?
Art, as usual was pushing the Mayan 2012 calender issue when John Hogue said that the major happenings in 2012 is really triggered in 2008. (That's when Art got noticeably excited) Hogue suggests starting in 2008 many weather related catastrophes, possibly triggered by an nuclear exchange (nuclear fallout?). He said a major city would "disappear" in USA, and many others around the world. He cited Nostradamus and star signs, showing Iran as being the major aggressors in the middle east, starting the real beginning of the 30 year war he believes to take place, starting in 2008. The stuff going on now in the middle east are precursors for the big 30 year war to come. He also said China will stay out of the fight - mopping up and victorious after the rest of the world is in shambles. ...This is all paraphrasing and based on limited memory cells. :)