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To: Coyoteman
But even so, lets pretend Darwin never heard of PE and his theory was corrected by Gould and Eldredge. What would this matter to evolution? Science progresses by modifying theories as needed. Are you suggesting that if Darwin was wrong about one little thing that all of evolution just goes away?

Because PE better fits the fossil record. Of that I have no doubt. To many, Darwin's claim of what is essentially a continuum was not a "little thing". Gould and Eldredge obviously didn't think so.

I don't like dishonest science. If Gould and Eldredge were correct, then say so. Stop looking over your shoulders at what the "fundies" may think. In the long run it's a winner for science.

The astronomers did a better job handling the transition from the "Steady State" theory to the "Big Bang Theory" despite its Biblical implications, and the fundies ran wild with it. But so what?

Science must forge ahead with the scientific method regardless.

As the saying goes "damn the torpedos and full speed ahead".

311 posted on 07/22/2006 5:42:24 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Fake but Accurate": NY Times)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
Because PE better fits the fossil record. Of that I have no doubt. To many, Darwin's claim of what is essentially a continuum was not a "little thing". Gould and Eldredge obviously didn't think so.

I don't like dishonest science. If Gould and Eldredge were correct, then say so. Stop looking over your shoulders at what the "fundies" may think. In the long run it's a winner for science.

I don't like dishonest science, or anything else dishonest, for that matter.

Let's take a look at this. Here is a good on-line resource [excerpted; follow the link for the rest]:


All you need to know about Punctuated Equilibrium (almost)
Common misconceptions concerning the hypothesis
of Punctuated Equilibrium

Copyright © 2001-2003 by Douglas Theobald. Source.

Much confusion has surrounded the concept of Punctuated Equilibrium (PE) as proposed by Niles Eldredge and Stephen Jay Gould in 1972. This essay addresses a few of the erroneous views held by many creationists and even some evolutionary biologists concerning PE. There are several main points I wish to make:

This confirms my memory that Darwin allowed for PE in his original theory.

OK, the shoe is on the other foot. Damnation of Darwin for missing PE is incorrect. He was wise enough to know what he didn't know, and his overall theory has managed to survive remarkably intact for 150 years.

I still think that any evaluation of evolutionary theory should not waste time demonizing Darwin, but should focus on modern practitioners, such as Johanson and White, and the geneticists and radiometric specialists. There is a lot going on out there, but Darwin has not published in over a century. He is clearly behind the times.

319 posted on 07/22/2006 6:09:01 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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