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To: xpertskir
Why is it that all(most)you bible belters think that creationism and evolution are mutually exclusive theories?

Just in case you really want to know and aren't asking a rhetorical question.

It's "the wages of sin is death" paradox. If death is the result of sin (and sin came from man) then all the millenia of death from evolution prior to man can't exist or if there were millennia of death prior to man then the "sin caused death" isn't true which means Christ died for nothing and our sin is not expiated by it.

So in order to keep your head from exploding you have to make a choice. Maybe God is right and he really did create all things in 6 literal days and created light even before the sun, moon and stars..... or Man is right and life on earth evolved over time and God had nothing to do with it.

If you understand both points of view you see that they are mutually exclusive as belief systems

40 posted on 07/03/2006 1:11:23 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: Valpal1

Well I believe in the Christian God and believe that species on the world have and continue to evolve.

I have read your "paradox" quite a few times and am having problems wrapping my head around it. Is it from the bible, or a philosopher, or what?


44 posted on 07/03/2006 1:16:09 PM PDT by xpertskir
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To: Valpal1

"It's "the wages of sin is death" paradox. If death is the result of sin..."

Did the cells of Adam's body die before the Fall? Did viruses and bacteria exist before the Fall? Why is it not considered death when an animal eats a plant? Are not plants alive?

"Maybe God is right and he really did create all things in 6 literal days and created light even before the sun, moon and stars..... or Man is right and life on earth evolved over time and God had nothing to do with it."

Or maybe that's a false dichotomy.


46 posted on 07/03/2006 1:18:52 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: Valpal1
It's "the wages of sin is death" paradox. If death is the result of sin (and sin came from man) then all the millenia of death from evolution prior to man can't exist or if there were millennia of death prior to man then the "sin caused death" isn't true which means Christ died for nothing and our sin is not expiated by it.

Your logic escapes me. Just becuase the bible says "the wages of sin is death" does not mean that death does not occur any other way.

How does sin enter into the fact that a tree gets struck by lightning, falls and dies. Did the tree "sin"?

The fact that life forms died before the evolution of mankind does NOT mean that "Christ died for nothing". I fail to see the link in your logic.

If I tell a small child "You will burn your finger if you stick it into a lighted match" does not mean that is the ONLY way he can burn his finger.

Likewise - death can occur from OTHER reasons than sin. So your whole arguement falls apart.

I have no problem in believing in God and believing in evolution. They are NOT mutually exclusive. In fact - I think that people who refuse to believe in evolution are doing God a diservice. He can do anything - including planning and creating the system of evolution. Give Him some credit!

93 posted on 07/03/2006 2:08:26 PM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Valpal1

"It's "the wages of sin is death" paradox. If death is the result of sin (and sin came from man) then all the millenia of death from evolution prior to man can't exist or if there were millennia of death prior to man then the "sin caused death" isn't true which means Christ died for nothing and our sin is not expiated by it."

Wow. This is the most confused thing I have ever seen.

You confuse death in a dino with death as it applies to Man. Man has a soul and a dino was just a biological system--no different than, say a tree. You go on to confuse death as the Bible defines it with the cessation of a mans biological life.


116 posted on 07/03/2006 2:53:36 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Valpal1

[or Man is right and life on earth evolved over time and God had nothing to do with it.]

But I believe in evolution as designed by God, and I believe in good and evil. I don’t see the either or pronouncement as meaningful. God created things however he pleased, and then gave us minds to figure things out.

By the way, how do you explain the speed of light and the 13 billion year age of the universe?


689 posted on 10/11/2009 7:46:13 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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