[RightWhale]

You saw something, but not up close. You have no hard evidence, nobody ever does. All word pictures, stories, flapping of gums.

[Quix]

Will be interesting . . . would be interesting . . .

to see the line your gums and lips form when you see such up close.

And you will.

[Frank_Discussion]

Sometimes there is hard evidence. Contrast that to Astronomy, and limit the data source to just stars, what physical evidence do you have other than light spectra? Not much. This not to say that astronomy is bunk, it certainly isn't, but if that science can be supported by optics and radar, but not chunks of stars of bits of extrasolar planets, it isn't unreasonable to consider the reality of UFO's. Ufology has photographic data, spectra, soil evidence, physical adjuncts manifested in materials and sometimes people after encounters, and of course the anecdotal evidence - it really isn't a narrow base of evidence on which the study rests.

That said, not all of us who study such stuff fall for everything that is included in the pop culture spectra. Crop Circles? I don't know what they are. Abductions? Another area of inquiry that holds more physical data than people realize, but not *necessarily* a ufological phenomena. Face on Mars? It is intriguing, but is in no way logical linked with UFOs in my mind. Hoagland is a functional moron.

There are constants in the Ufology, the things repeat themselves. Whatever they may be.

"All word pictures, stories, flapping of gums."

Until we have the ability to directly measure a phenomenon that is difficult to anticipate, it is hard to have much else. There were efforts that met with some success outside of Austin, Project Starlight International, I think was the outfit. They gathered more than pics and tales.

[Houmatt]

And since you have never seen one, they do not exist.

Go piss up a rope. It is the height of arrogance to believe we are the only form of intelligent life in the universe.

[Quix]

Soooooooooooooooooooo . . .

Evidently it is your conviction that

Houmatt;

had NO CAPACITY to tell the difference between a distance from him

of 15 feet,

50 feet
150 feet
500 feet

Amazing.

How long have you had such a whale of an ego?