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Posted on 06/19/2006 8:46:45 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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Yeah, that girl has had quite a change of attitude, but she still keeps graining the poor mare when thats the LAST fricking thing she needs to be feeding her. And she keeps letting her out on pasture and keeps insisting that "it's the same one she was on last year and had no problems" and "it's really overgrazed". Well, for one, really overgrazed ones are the worst kind because the grass is stressed and has more suger, and for another, just because it didn't bother her last year doesn't mean that her insulin resistance hasn't progressed to the point that it doesn't bother her THIS year. Her hooves looked absolutely HORRIBLE. Long term laminitis if I've ever seen them. That mare is doomed if she doesn't listen and get some better help for her in a hurry.
I just read that last post of hers, and I ~think~ she's talking about graining the foal, not the mare, but... ???
I just shake my head at her considering embryo transfer next year... Like that doesn't mess with the mare's chemistry too.
The pony and the horses would run the coyotes off if they could get to them. :~) I've seen them get in the middle of it if the coyotes are in the pasture with them.
I go back and forth on whether I have a coyote 'problem'. As long as they continue to not be a threat to the horses, as long as they don't let themselves been seen near the compound, and as long as we get the cats in at night, the coyotes aren't ~really~ a problem if they are just after bunnies and rodents in the back forty. I just go out there with the light because it makes them run off. I want them to be wary of ever letting themselves be near enough the compound to be seen.
There were so many coyotes after rodents in our hay fields that I did not bother them. You could tell by the way they were hopping around they were after field mice. After they came into the pastures with the cows and calves then I started to carry. You could get fairly close to them while you were on a tractor. Never did hit one though, don't think I could hit the broadside of a barn with a bass fiddle. Now I am leery of trying anything that might reach out there and touch one. These staples and super glue might turn loose from the recoil.
If I had foals, or calves, or a goat, or chickens, I'd have a coyote problem. So I'm avoiding having those things because I don't want to have those kinds of challenges right now.
Although dad says they can mimick sounding like more than they are, sometimes I think it sounds like there's a pack of more than four or five. I start to worry that there's too many.
Well, I read it again and wasn't sure, so I posted a followup question to clarify.
Does she not get that there could be a possible genetic link here and she will be passing this on to future generations?!?!?!?!
...her mare is foundering again today on page 4...
The Farrier & Hoofcare Resource Center Forums - In Foal Foundered mare....
Yeah, that girl has had quite a change of attitude, but she still keeps graining the poor mare when thats the LAST fricking thing she needs to be feeding her. And she keeps letting her out on pasture and keeps insisting that "it's the same one she was on last year and had no problems" and "it's really overgrazed". Well, for one, really overgrazed ones are the worst kind because the grass is stressed and has more suger, and for another, just because it didn't bother her last year doesn't mean that her insulin resistance hasn't progressed to the point that it doesn't bother her THIS year. Her hooves looked absolutely HORRIBLE. Long term laminitis if I've ever seen them. That mare is doomed if she doesn't listen and get some better help for her in a hurry.
What's the deal with these farriers and the conflicting advice between stall with deep bedding and turnout?
My understanding is that right now, while she's still acutely inflamed, every step she takes risks pulling that coffin bone down further. Am I wrong? I've never had one founder, but I'd sure like to know what the important first steps are if I ever do!
No, she doesn't 'get' anything about how serious it is.
She is 16 and should not be making decisions like this. Where are her parents in all of this?
Good question!
Well, if nobody bred horses that were prone to IR, then there wouldn't be any Andalusians or Morgans or Arabs or TWH and quite a few others. You've just got to watch their diet closer and not let them get too fat. It's the fatness and lack of exercise and the inability to process sugars that precipitates the insulin resistance in horses that are prone to it. So it's more of a lifestyle problem than anything else.
I don't know about the genetic factor in this... but I wouldn't breed her because of the pain to the mare if it happens again. She bred her within three months of the last episode!
This mare's foals may never founder as long as who ever owns them doesn't allow them to get too fat and too little exercise and keeps their feet in proper working order. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure in this case.
Yeah, she shouldn't have been bred, or ridden for that matter, until she had normal looking hooves, which even under the best of care would take almost a year to achieve. But the girl can't help it that she was given bad information by her vet and her farrier. She was doing what she thought was the best, given the information that she had at the time. Hopefully now she can make some more informed decisions.
She is 16 too and 16 year olds know EVERYTHING! Speaking from experience. It is only when they get into their 20's do they realize that hey, maybe Mom was right!
A lot of "IF's" Your average horse owner does not pay as much attention to the horses like some of us do. It is all a matter of priorities I guess.
You might find this interesting...it was posted on the NATRC site.
http://www.saplonline.org/Alerts/williealert.htm
Becky
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