Posted on 06/01/2006 7:20:27 AM PDT by 8mmMauser
DALLAS A mother fighting to keep her baby on life support, despite a hospital's determination that her efforts would be futile, will get two more weeks to find a facility that will take the 10-month-old. A judge had been set to decide tomorrow whether to grant a temporary injunction to stop Children's Medical Center in Dallas from removing Daniel Wayne Cullen the Second from life support. But attorneys for the boy's mother and the hospital agreed yesterday to extend a temporary restraining order for another two weeks.
Attorney Brian Potts, who represents the boy's mother, Dixie Belcher, said he plans to submit the agreement to a judge today.
The baby has had breathing problems since his premature birth and was hospitalized after suffering from a lack of oxygen when he pulled out a breathing tube. He remains on a ventilator.
(Excerpt) Read more at kten.com ...
Food and water are not artificial life support. If so, how much artificial life support have you had today?
"Mmmmm...That's some good artificial life support I had for lunch."
No, they're not. I never said they were.
Food and water, however, administered by a healthcare professional to a PVS patient via a surgically implanted feeding tube, in the State of Florida, is.
Current Florida law makes no distinction between respirators and other life support and feeding tubes. All can be withdrawn by their guardians or surrogates, or the patients themselves, if they have expressed their wishes orally or in writing.
As a resident of Florida, you can change ... wait a minute. You're not a resident of Florida. What business is it of yours what the citizens of Florida have decided? Why are you nosing around in Florida business? I thought this was a republic where the states decide, not some dictatorship ... or theocracy.
"We run into these things when we examine so-called futile care cases and other threats to the right of life. For instance, they were ready to carve up Haleigh Poutre if she hadn't fooled them and started breathing on her own, taking food, and such. This was a child who'd been battered, even tortured. You'd think she had suffered enough, but in the bureaucrats' eyes, that just made her an unwanted child who was ripe for organ harvest."
Yes. The ones most at risk are the ones in the custody of the state. They know there won't be a caregiver to assume the responsibility, so they proceed to court to get permission to disconnect.
I don't remember in Haleigh's case if this was more an issue of the state not wanting to continue her treatment, or of the doctors not wanting to continue her care.
If my memory serves me correctley, the Schindler family is trying to raise funds to build facilities to care for such people who are most at risk of being euthenized.
That was the same Dr. Cranford speaking to her in the video, asking her to open her eyes. When she did open her eyes wide, Dr. Cranford congratulated her: "Good job! Good job, young lady!"
So much for Terri being deaf.
Yes, and God bless them for it. We have learned to provide care and shelter for battered women and for pregnant women who have no place to go. Now we need to provide loving shelter for elderly, sick and disabled persons whose lives are increasingly put at risk by Death Cult laws. The Schindlers are leading the way in this effort.
Civilization is measured by the way we treated the weakest among us.
It was a murky business, and shocking. It came out when the Massachusetts child protection agency went to court to ask to unplug Haleigh. This was only one week after doctors told them, the agency said, that Haleigh wouldn't get any better. But it came out that Haleigh WAS getting better and that the bureaucrats evidently knew it. They were going to unplug her anyway. (Chances are, then, she was a candidate for organ harvest.)
The only thing that kept Haleigh alive was a lawsuit by her guardian aunt's boyfriend who was in jail accused of taking part in beating the child. If Haleigh was unplugged, his charges would have been elevated to murder.
But even as these events played out, Haleigh started to recover. She made so much progress that the plan to unplug her was quickly withdrawn. She's been moved to a good facility to get therapy, her real mother is there with her, and she has a first-rate attorney watching over her (bless you, Wendy Murphy!).
The story of the abusive guardian aunt has more horrors and plot twists than a bad soap opera. No time for that now, but it has chilling lessons.
Terri was diagnosed PVS. You have not rebutted that with your posts.
That is a problem now a days. I mean people who watch movies and think they are reality. With Terri, you watched a murder.
The feeding tube law was passed long after Terri Schiavo was injured. Therefore, it was not possible for her orally to express an informed wish to have the tube removed; and it is uncontested, of course, that she left no written instructions. Michael Schiavo has admitted several times that it was his own wish, not Terri's: in testimony, on LKL, and most recently in his interview with Keith Olbermann last March 29.
They are spiritual life support as well as physical. Jesus is associated with the Water of Life, and in the Lord's prayer, we ask for our daily bread. The Eucharist is consecrated wine and bread.
The burgeoning Death Cult laws are legalizing the homicide of society's most helpless members, not least by denying them water and sustenance. Your own investigations of the futile care laws reach the same conclusion.
You will not be surprised that the first time Terri Schiavo's feeding tube was pulled, in 2003, Michael ("loving husband") refused even to let her take holy communion. That raised such a stink that he let her have a drop of wine and a speck of bread when he put her to death in 2005. But Judge Greer, without any legal authority whatsoever, forebade anyone from giving her water or food by mouth. He wouldn't even let her have ice chips in her mouth, though that is standard medical practice to ease the patient's agony. Armed men guarded her closely to make sure that nobody gave Terri a drop of water.
Judicial execution by torture.
Dummies, aren't they? You have to wonder if this guy is working a jail someplace : )
Perhaps the quotation you were reaching for is, “From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” -- Karl Marx. Please note that Marx was talking about ability to produce. The maxim had nothing to do with "ability to pay," a concept mostly trundled out to heap taxes on the rich.
You have to wonder where Dr. Humane Death is working these days. Perhaps he is learning why the Christian message is to overcome death, not to worship it. I pray not. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
"You will not be surprised that the first time Terri Schiavo's feeding tube was pulled, in 2003, Michael ("loving husband") refused even to let her take holy communion."
No, I wasn't surprised-Because I was there. And it was the second time her tube was removed. It was first removed in 2001.
Food and water are natural life support. Not artificial life support.
NOHLGREN (11/10/03): The single most dramatic moment occurred when William Hammesfahr, a Clearwater neurologist picked by the Schindlers, asked Schiavo to open her eyes.
At first, her eyelids barely flutter. She slowly turns her head toward Hammesfahr, gradually opening her eyes. Then her eyebrows lift into an exaggerated arch—the kind of face a cartoonist might draw to show astonishment.
A lay person could easily conclude that she somehow tapped into a latent reservoir of cognition, even if just for a second. Hammesfahr and her parents bubble with excitement.
"Good job!" the doctor exults. "Good job, young lady!"
But she never pulls it off again, or anything remotely like it. For nearly an hour, her parents and the doctor tell her to open her eyes, close her eyes, look this way, look that way—with little apparent response.
Judge Greer counted.
"By the court's count, (Hammesfahr) gave 105 commands to Terri Schiavo and, at his direction, Mrs. Schindler gave an additional six commands," Greer wrote. "He asked her 61 questions and Mrs. Schindler asked her an additional 11 questions. The court saw few actions that could be considered responsive to either those commands or those questions."
Hmmmmm. Dr. Hammesfahr. He's the Nobel Prize nomineee, isn't he? The one Judge Greer called the "self-promoter"? The one who testified in court that he had treated patients worse off than Terri Schiavo yet offered no names, no case studies, no videos and no test results to support his claim?
Terri was deaf. Terri was blind. She could no more comprehend what she was hearing than she could follow a balloon with her eyes. You are either ignorant of the facts of this case or you believe I am. Either way, you're making a mistake.
I fully expect you to now slink away, knowing who you're dealing with. In anticipation of that, I'll say, "Adios".
Well, there is a problem nowadays -- people who don't know the meanings of words and who misapply them in the hopes of getting a reaction.
Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being. A judge ordered the feeding tube removed. Can't get any more lawful than that.
Good catch! Thanks.
Meanwhile, since you were there, any eyewitnesses accounts you could offer would be especially welcome.
That is correct.
"Therefore, it was not possible for her orally to express an informed wish to have the tube removed"
That is also correct. Everyone involved testified under oath, under penally of perjury, in a court of law, and subject to cross examination, that Terri orally expressed her wish before she was injured.
So? What's your point? The law still applies. Did you think it doesn't?
"Michael Schiavo has admitted several times that it was his own wish, not Terri's: in testimony, on LKL, and most recently in his interview with Keith Olbermann last March 29."
No, no, and no.
Certainly not in his court testimony. Judge Greer found that it was Terri's wish, not Michael's. Document your outrageous claim, if you can.
I read the transcript of his March 29th interview with Keith Olbermann. In it, Keith Olbermann asks, "Was there this sense of releasing someone, was there the sense of fulfilling the wish that you have always said she had for those circumstances?"
Now, how does that tranlate into "the wish that Michael had"? What an idiot.
As to the Larry King Live interview, you misread that the same way you miread Michael's testimony and his interview with Keith Olbermann. Earlier in that same Larry King Live interview there was this exchange:
"KING: If she's not in pain and the parents want her to be alive and you're no longer involved, so what? Why not keep her alive?"
"M. SCHIAVO: Because this is what Terri wanted. This is her wish."
So, believe what you will.
I was there in 03 only, but I have friends that were there in 03 and 05.
They're russesjunjee and dandelion. They have plenty to tell!
Some people are evil and antagonistic. When I say some people, I mean robertpaulson. I've stopped addressing him hoping that he'll just sniff me and walk away. Hasn't happened yet.
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