Posted on 05/10/2006 11:24:25 PM PDT by OakOak
Pat Brown: http://www.patbrownprofiling.com/bio.html
Well, UNDER is almost universally used.
I suspect somehow.. even maybe as you suggest it's on the underside but not at the end of the nail (on the rounded end)
Under artificial nails, I found this:
Coat the inside of the artificial nails and your own nail.
Inside may or May not be consistent with Under I guess.
What I remember about Cheshire was his assertion minutes after the release of the first DNA results that the accuser hadn't had sex with anyone at the party or elsewhere. I think he misspoke or misunderstood the results, because I haven't seen that opinion seconded by another defense attorney.
This entire case is getting me so irritated I wish there were a way to get dna samples from the entire police force, the da's office and all elected politicians in that corrupt town. Let's see who has dna that matches. It might explain what's been going on.
It might be a fantasy for defense attorneys, but it's also a nightmare for anyone facing a jury trial with an out of control DA.
I have gel over my nails, similar to acrylic but safer, so I started thinking.
It would take a heck of a dig to break someone's skin with gel/acrylic overlay, because the nail is too thick at this point.
Now if she had some sort of press on or even the (plastic type) nails that you use crazy glue or nail glue with, they would break off quite easily, and may or may not cause scratches, depending which ones she was wearing.
Also, another question, if she was shown in pics dancing with nails missing, and went in bathroom to reapply new ones(guessing here), then how many did she have on when she arrived at the hospital?
I think your right.. but let's dissect the term you used -
Underside of the nail.. That's interesting..
LOL!!
You gotta smile.. To support the first part of your statement, artificial nails pick up a lot of everything (even when they're not on strippers or in trash cans).. Hospitals have identified them as bacterial pools.
I didn't hear one person on ANY show mention how long the nails were in the bathroom trash can AFTER the party.. It was like 60 hours.
Thanks for weighing in.
I believe you're right!
Yeah.. they were Press on. They come off rather easily (I'm told).
Can you imagine what the guys and their families are experiencing....a nightmare!
How many were at the scene?
How many were still attached at the hospital?
If she had reattached some that fell off, and deposited the others in the trash, or even just left them on the floor, you mean after a brutal rape she felt the need to "press on" more....??????LOL
"If she had reattached some that fell off, and deposited the others in the trash, or even just left them on the floor, you mean after a brutal rape she felt the need to "press on" more....??????LOL"
Sure...had to look good for the next trick.
But first tonight, breaking news, Duke University DNA bombshell in the lacrosse team rape investigation. Does tissue under the nails of the alleged victim match one of the three Duke lacrosse players? Tonight, we are taking your calls.
GRACE: Well, it all looked bleak for the prosecution of the Duke lacrosse team multiple rape case. At the 11th hour, suddenly, a Hail Mary pass was thrown, and it`s a touchdown for the state! Apparently, DNA matching one of these three lacrosse players has turned up under the nails of the student-turned-stripper.
GRACE: Well, wait a minute, Kevin Miller. What do you mean, it`s not a 100 percent match? Because when I prosecuted DNA cases, you`ll have a one-in-three-million match, you`ll have a one-in-four-trillion match likelihood that this is the person. So what do you mean, it`s not a 100 percent match?
MILLER: Well, Nancy, let me again say that, again, this is based on published reports. It hasn`t been confirmed by the prosecutor`s office or the defense, as far as I know...
MILLER: Well, for a DNA test -- and I`m not a DNA expert -- you have to have, let`s say, 13 of 13 characteristics. From what we know from these reports, there are not all 13 there. So you might have 10 of 13, which could lead to some doubt about the reliability of the DNA. Plus you go back to the tissue sample, it`s not a complete sample, Nancy, from what we know.
GRACE: Now, that can mean a number of things. Kevin Miller, reporting straight out of North Carolina with WPTF radio. Let`s go to the expert tonight. Joining us is Dr. Daniel Spitz. He is a forensic pathologist. Dr. Spitz, when we refer to the 13 markers in DNA, correct me if I`m wrong, but doesn`t that mean there are 13 matching comparisons between the unknown DNA, what`s under the nails, and the known DNA, which is taken from the oral swabbing of the lacrosse players?
DR. DANIEL SPITZ, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Well, that`s correct. They use 13 different regions, and if you match all 13, that is what generally is characterized as a positive result. That`s where you get those huge numbers, one in several million, one in several billion.
What we`re dealing with here is less than a complete 13 out of 13 region match.
GRACE: Wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wait! Before we keep perpetuating the phraseology of "not 100 percent match," could it be, instead of 1 in 4 trillion match, it could be 1 in 5,000 match?
SPITZ: Well, it could be. We don`t know how many of the different regions are actually -- are actually matching. If it`s 10 out of 13, that`s probably still pretty good, and that`s going to give you a high probability that...
GRACE: Such as?
SPITZ: Well, it`s hard to know. You can`t really put that because you don`t have the -- the exact matches, which is what`s used. You -- 13 out of 13 is what gives those huge results. When you have less than that, you`re going to have different people giving you different amounts. So if it`s one or two or three or four, the probability goes way down, and you`re going to have different people arguing different amounts.
GRACE: Now, hold on. Forget all these different hypothetical people you`re talking about. I want to know what Dr. Daniel Spitz thinks. If there are 10 out of the 13 markers that match, what`s a general ballpark of comparison, 1 out of 5,000, or are we still up around 1 in 100,000?
SPITZ: No, you`re not that high. It drops off very rapidly once you have...
GRACE: OK.
SPITZ: ... once you don`t have 13 out of 13. The test involves 13 out of 13. That`s what is a positive result. If it`s not 13 out of 13, it`s really not a positive test. You can only use the phraseology "consistent with." And we don`t know how many match, at this point.
GRACE: OK. Let me go back to my original question. With, say, 10 out of 13, how much lower does the match go?
SPITZ: Oh, it drops off very rapidly.
GRACE: Right. I heard that. Are you saying 1 in 100, 1 in 5,000, what?
SPITZ: Yes, probably 1 in several thousand. But it goes...
GRACE: They show her photo number 7, Tiff. "He looks like one of the guys who assaulted me." "How sure of that are you?" "One hundred percent sure." Sergeant, "You`re 100 percent sure? OK." "Yes."
That`s pretty good ID, Tiffany. And, "How did he assault you? Which one was he?" "He was the one standing in front of me that made me perform oral sex on him." "What else did he do?" "That was it." And we are referring to photo 7. I`m turning to it right now. Photo 7 is Reade Seligmann. That`s pretty good ID, Tiffany.
TIFFANY KOENIG, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, it sounds really good, except for when you put it back in the context that they actually told her, Well, you`re going to be looking at 46 photos of people who were at the party. In essence, there is no wrong answer. She could have named anybody at that stage because they all were at the party.
GRACE: Eleanor, response?
DIXON: ... she`s actually saying. She`s very specific, as you pointed out, where everybody is, what exactly they were doing. So she`s not just picking out random people. She`s able to tell you what each person at the party was doing. And when she was sure, she says, I`m 100 percent sure. I think that`s pretty good.
I want to go back to Kevin Miller, reporter with WPTF radio. Kevin, I want to talk also about a pubic hair that has now come into play. It is a white male pubic hair. Nobody`s saying where it came from. But the fact that it is being made known around the same time as the DNA is being made known suggests to me it came out of the rape kit.
MILLER: Well, Nancy, having had a chance to talk to sources on both sides of this case, it was news to them today that it came out. And if you read the report, apparently, the hair has no root, which plays into it, as well. But from what I understand, sources close to both sides have told me that this it the first they`ve heard of it.
Can you imagine what the guys and their families are experiencing....a nightmare!
I would say the guys, their families, and their cabbies!
Nifong has abused his power in this case. For Newsweek reporters to get on TV and say I doubt they want to intimidate the Cabbie. COme on?
The theft that the cabbie was being held for and had to post bail has been admitted to and a conviction and a sentence has been handed down. UNBELIEVABLE
Good job, TexKat!
Sources also told FOX News that in addition to the DNA tests completed on 46 of the 47 members of the men's team — which didn't directly tie any of the players to the alleged rape — more DNA tests are being done on hair samples; some lacrosse players were forced to turn over head and pubic hair. Sources said more information on these tests could be released as early as Wednesday but could come later in the week.
District Attorney Mike Nifong has said he hopes to link a third man to the alleged attack soon, but he said that person had not been "identified with certainty."
I believe in Karma....Crystal Gail Mangum, Nifong, and Kim Roberts are in trouble! (And whover is supporting Nifong.)
;)
whomever...
this is from your link to the rest of the transcript..
This is from the case flashbacks they do
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, she mentioned something about (INAUDIBLE) she said she had -- the next day, she had to go to see or identify the people, ...
ENDQUOTE
But, she didn't go to the station and Identify anyone. I heard her Father say that a couple times.. He's talking about the day after the party . and she left with her boyfriend for the day. She didn't remember ANY details for 31 hours and she didn't ID anyone for what - 3 weeks.
So, what did her boyfriend/pimp and her discuss for 30 hours or so? Why didn't she do what she told her Father?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.