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American Idol 2006--Live Thread (Part III)
Fox ^ | 5-8-06

Posted on 05/08/2006 4:22:13 AM PDT by silent_jonny

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To: BamaDi

Taylor is getting ready to be on Rick and Bubba. http://www.rickandbubba.com

Maybe you can listen on the computer. :)


2,861 posted on 05/12/2006 7:12:52 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: Carolinamom
Little known fact: Chris' NC employer has kept him on the payroll during the entire AI time.

Probably the best advertising they could possibly do.
2,862 posted on 05/12/2006 7:37:16 AM PDT by Texas2step (<><)
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To: over3Owithabrain
Agreed - 90s music sucked.

The best rock of the 90s was from band from the 70s and 80s - Def Leppard and Aerosmith both had some good music in the 90s, for example.
2,863 posted on 05/12/2006 7:38:40 AM PDT by Texas2step (<><)
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To: stlnative
Well that is my AI rant for today... I have had one hell of a day and I am trying to unwind from some sad family news that I got today. So go easy on me ok?

Good rant, stlnative. This probably is the best result for Chris. The "buzz" since Wednesday night has been extremely high. Much higher than it would have been had Elliott or Kat been eliminated, IMO. Good for AI, and good for Chris.

BTW, I watched the AI Extra interview with Chris yesterday. He was very gracious and appreciative of the opportunity that he's been given. He's a Christian man, a family man, and very "together". He'll do well.
2,864 posted on 05/12/2006 7:48:19 AM PDT by Texas2step (<><)
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To: silent_jonny; retrokitten

Darn it! I had to miss the show with you again except the beginning. My 4 year old spiked a fever the other night and I have been kept very busy. Just now getting around to read the thread, and I have a lot of catching up to do.

I thought the way Seacrest announced Chris leaving was cruel. I know he gets paid to create the element of surprise, but that seemed downright mean. Hubby and I replayed it several times and the look on Chris' face is absolutely heartbreaking. He was clearly in shock. Kat even looked ticked off at Ryan, though relieved.

Well, I wish Chris well, he was a class act.


2,865 posted on 05/12/2006 7:57:10 AM PDT by conservativebabe
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To: floridaobserver
You can read that interview any way you want, and make it sound cocky or confident. Did you hear the interview?

He answered some of the same questions in some of the same ways on AI Extra last night, which I watched. Yes, he thought he had a real good shot at winning and did not think he would be going home yet.

He said initially he didn't think he'd go very far, but the longer he was in the competition and the more he was complimented, the more he thought he "had a shot" at winning.

It WAS NOT "cocky". It was confidence. He was shocked when Ryan announced he was leaving, as were most of the audience and the judges. Randy and Ryan both said they were shocked, and Simon, being Simon said he wasn't shocked, but was "dismayed".

Don't "read" more into the words than were there. He was gracious and appreciative of the opportunity he'd been given.

He's already gotten one offer (which he cannot officially talk about) and will probably get many more offers.
2,866 posted on 05/12/2006 7:58:02 AM PDT by Texas2step (<><)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Better off with out the AI contract???

I'm pretty sure she meant better off with out the winners AI contract. A one year "you'll do what we tell you to" contract to 19E. I agree.
2,867 posted on 05/12/2006 7:59:32 AM PDT by Texas2step (<><)
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To: EmilyGeiger

thank you thank you....i listened to the whole thing - and now i have a new tagline....


2,868 posted on 05/12/2006 8:03:32 AM PDT by BamaDi (Taylor - the man who's reversing menopause all across the nation!)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Maybe out youth are smarter then I thought:)

Maybe it's not just a "youth" show? With 40 million viewers, a large percentage of the audience is not "youth". The show has wide appeal. I would be surpised if most of the votes are not coming from people who are not "youth".

However, the music industry is a "youth" industry. Most of the money is spent by people under the age of 30. So, there's a little bit of a disconnect.

Maybe it's regional as well, I don't know. My teenage daughters, and all of their friends were Chris fans, bigtime. They've been in mourning for two days, now. Talk is they'll be pulling for Kat, but probably won't be voting.

Don't be surprised if Taylor, and particularly Elliott, don't outsell Chris or maybe even Kat.
2,869 posted on 05/12/2006 8:06:16 AM PDT by Texas2step (<><)
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To: silent_jonny

I am going to follow the pattern the great Economist and Author, Thomas Sowell established by writing some of my random thoughts about this interesting sociological phenomenon called American Idol. Here goes....



Simon originally conceived of American Idol in the mold
of the hit British show, Pop Idol. He did not expect it to go beyond 2 seasons.

His original intent was to find the next pop star he could market. Never in his mind did he imagine the show to morph into what it has become today...

Who was the one who started the ROCK trend in American Idol ?

The answer is an obscure guy named Patrick Lake in season 2. In his audition, he said he wanted to bring a "rock" edge to the show...

Even then, Paula and Randy were insightful enough to let Patrick go through. SImon of course said, NO.

Unfortunately, the format then was different. It did not allow for the top 24 to be judged by the public. When Patrick performed in the top 24, the judges were the ones who voted and Pat, instead of choosing a rock song, compromised and mellowed down.

Simon said allowed that putting him through was a big mistake and he was not chosen to continue.

We never heard of Patrick Lake since then ( anyone with any news, please tell me.... ).

We had to wait till Season 4 for Bo Bice and Constantine to come to the picture. Constantine had a unanimpus YES from all 3 judges in the pre-Hollywood phase, while Simon had his doubts about Bo, but let him through anyway.

During the Hollywood auditions, Bo and Connie rocked to the great song -- THE LETTER,and the rest was history.

Come season 5 and now we have a REAL ROCKER with a powerful voice ... Chris Daughtry. Simon said NO in the pre-Hollywood auditions while Randy and Paula, again, insightfully said yes.

It is interesting to note that Simon also said NO to Taylor Hicks (now a favorite to win ) because his objection was he cannot be "commercial".

What are we seeing here ? Let me remind everyone of a phrase that the great economist Joseph Schumpeter used to characterize dynamic capitalism.

Schumpeter characterizes capitalism with the famous phrase "creative destruction" in which old ways of doing things are endogenously destroyed and replaced by the new.

What you are seeing folks, is the business of American Idol RE-INVENTING ITSELF, destroying its old bubble gum pop model to accomodate MORE DIVERSE musical tastes -- ROCK ( Southern and Alternative), SOUL, COUNTRY, catering to the Boomer crowd.

In this sense, I have to say that Simon is the hold-over and Paula and Randy are more far-reaching in their vision for the show. The later two saw where the market was going and promptly decided for CHANGE. Simon, like the Democrats of today who still insist on the old failed Keynesian model, was the major holdover.

Who knows what American Idol would have become had Bo, Constantine, Chris and Taylor not appeared ? My feeling is it would soon DEVOLVE into the same old, same old and lose
viewers.

Will we see more "creative destruction" in season 6 ( e.g., accomodating rap, hip hop and the likes ?). QUE SERA SERA. Let the market decide.



Why did Chris Daughtry, a real favorite among the talking heads and the online futures markets ( AKA Gamblers) reach only as high as the 4th spot ?

I have one additional theory to present other than what was already presented by others....

It can be summarized in the following sentence :

AMERICA CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH ANGER, RAGE AND RESENTMENT.

What do I mean by that ?

Don't get me wrong... Chris is a good guy in his real life. But his rock persona represents --- rage, anger, resentment, depression, rebellion, not conforming, being anti-establishment, Desperation, Suicide, etc.

Just look at the lyrics to the songs he chooses ( when the themes don't prevent him )...Hemmorage, Wanted Dead or Alive, Innuendo, Renegade, I Dare You. It's all varations on the same depressing theme.

Of course we can all emphathize with these songs one way or another, but up to a point, how many of us who watch the show to escape the dreariness of life want to remind ourselves of the depressing fact once again ?

And Chris' fans don't give him a break.... when he switches gears to deliver for us a pleasant change -- WEHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD -- they promptly boycott him, sending him to the bottom 2.

What does Chris' unexpected exit reveal about America ?

I believe, at heart, we are still an optimistic nation that believes in Reagan's Shining City on a Hill. Yes, we know that there is misery in this world, but we believe that we CAN overcome it with our efforts.

Chris' fans are like the Howard Dean wing of the Democrats... they like their man the way they want him to be. The moment he tries to moderate himself, they quickly abandon him.

On the other hand, look at Taylor Hicks... why is he still around ? Simple -- HE GIVES US CAUSE TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT OURSELVES, OUR PAST, OUR FUTURE. He does not take himself or Simon's remarks seriously ( how many times did he just laugh his remarks off ?). Taylor sings about the joys of life, music, love, America... and when he sings about poverty ( IN THE GHETTO, TAKIN' IT TO THE STREETS) and jail ( JAIL HOUSE ROCK), he isn't acting crazy or angry or in your face about it ( the persona that Chris presents ). He simply presents these as facts to be dealt with and sings a song to encourage his fellowman to help ( IN THE GHETTO ).

These are the two contrasting faces of America shown in this show.... I am NOT SURPRISED why the optimistic face is still around and why the pessimistic, depressing face went only so far....



Now, some fun...

We have had over 150 songs sang in this show since the top 24 were presented to us. Here are my top 20 performances, which if I could get a full length CD, I'd like to compile ( inno particula order of preference ) :

1) LEVON -- The coming of age of Taylor Hicks. The performance that caused Simon to change his mind and apologize for being an ass.

2) I'M CHANGING --- Lisa Tucker. Her one wonderful performance that showed her emotion. Simon was right when he said - "If we look back, we will say that this song defined the coming of age of Lisa Tucker"

3) THESE FOOLISH THINGS -- Paris Bennet. Holy Guacamolie ! Did Billie Holiday just reincarnate in another body ? INCREDIBLE AND ELECTRIFYING. One of the best ever on the show.

4) THUNDER ROLLS -- Bucky Covington. I was willing to write Bucky off OUT of the top 12. This performance caused me to reconsider. It Fit him and his persona to a "T".

5) WALK THE LINE --- Chris Daughtry. If you could perform a classic and make me forget the original, that says a lot about your performance ( of course, it caused some controversy as he failed to acknowledge LIVE's arrangement, but what the heck, it was still THAT GOOD !).

6) SINCE I FELL FOR YOU --- Kat Mcphee. The prototypical style that Kat should be thriving in. The song that made me realize that -- not only is she going to the top 10, she'll be going deep into the competition.

7) IF YOU REALLY LOVE ME -- Elliott Yamin. Stevie Wonder has always been a disaster for anyone from season 1 to 4 who dared attempt his songs. Elliott Yamin broke the dreaded curse and made Simon remark ( without hyperbole I might add ) : "You have potentially, one of the best voice we've had in all 5 seasons."

8) SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME -- Kat Mcphee. If you can remind me of the girl, Rowena who sang that longing song in the film --- MR HOLLAND's OPUS, you've come of age.

9) I'M EVERY WOMAN -- Mandissa. Made her an early favorite in the competition. If we only had themes that played to her strengths, we would be seeing her still. Still one of the classiest performers and ladies ever.

10) YOU SEND ME -- Taylor Hicks. Who woulda thought that he could turn this classic into something fresh and new with his own unique SOULFUL ending of the song. A very innovative and surprising arrangement.

11) HEMMORHAGE -- Chris Daughtry. WOW ! This is a defining grunge/al-rock performance. THE SONG THAT MADE *FUEL* TAKE NOTICE AND INSPIRED THEM TO CANCEL ALL AUDITIONS FOR LEAD SINGER AND OFFER HIM THE POSITION. INCREDIBLE !

12) WANTED DEAD OR ALICE -- Chris Daughtry. As good if not better than Bon Jovi himself. 'Nuff said.

13) MOODY's MOOD FOR LOVE -- Elliott Yamin. Still his BEST and MOST MEMORABLE effort ever. I don't know how he can top that. In the finals maybe ....

14) FATHER FIGURE -- Ace Young. First impressions last. This performance might have given him 5 more weeks of survival, causing people to forget many of his weak performances from then on. He raised the bar for himself on this one and never reached it again.

15) IT HAD TO BE YOU --- Eliott Yamin. Better than Michael Buble, Better than Harry Connick. Should be on his next CD.

16) A SONG FOR YOU -- Elliott Yamin. So moved Judge Paula to tears and incoherence that she might have been prophetic when she babbled : "You are the American Idol !!".

17) FEVER -- Paris Bennett : One of her performances that truly deserved the UNANIMOUS rave reviews by the judges. She is Peggy Lee personified at this tender age.

18) TAKIN' IT TO THE STREETS -- Taylor Hicks : Must be SEEN to be appreciated. Sounded like the reincarnation of Michael Mcdonald and garnered one of the longest non-stop applause ever im American Idol history. The producers were so scared that the applause wouldn't die down and the judges could not get a word in.

19) IN THE GHETTO -- Taylor Hicks : If you could sing an Elvis classic and actually make me FORGET Elvis sang it, you've owned the song. Randy is right, Taylor should record this and dish the AI arrangement and replace it with a simple acoustic, un-plugged version. This is a hit waiting to happen.

20)TEACH ME TONIGHT -- Elliott Yamin. One word -- FANTASTIC. The phrasing, the delivery, the jazzy feel. Heck, who woulda thought Mr. Tumnus would encourage me to make love to my wife after the show ?

Tally of top 20 great performances :

Elliott Yamin 5
Taylor Hicks 4
Chris Daugtry 3
Kat Mcphee 2
Paris Bennett 2
Bucky Covington 1
Lisa Tucker 1
Mandissa 1
Ace Young 1





2,870 posted on 05/12/2006 8:12:00 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: Senator Goldwater
Becky: He was talented, no doubt, but to a limited audience. Looks to me the audience has spoken and the majority DON"T like alt rock"

you: You nailed it.


I disagree. Only 1 of his last 6 songs could even be considered "alt-rock". Maybe that's why he lost his base. Actually, I don't think his base was all "alt-rock". I've never listened to alt-rock in my life.

But out of all of the final 24, Chris is the one I enjoyed listening to the most, mainly because of his vocal tone. My least favorite songs he did were Creed's "What If" and the "I Dare You" songs which were the "hardest" contemporary alt-rock songs he did.

I won't be going out and buying any other alt-rock albums, but if Chris cuts and album or joins a band, I won't be able to pass it up.
2,871 posted on 05/12/2006 8:18:52 AM PDT by Texas2step (<><)
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To: TonyWpi

Yeah, I thought Chris looked good last night....smiling,and happy. Looked like he's recovered from the shock of Wed. night.


2,872 posted on 05/12/2006 8:22:39 AM PDT by andyssister (I'm a Taylor-Bot! And proud member of the "Fogie Brigade"!!)
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To: BamaDi

LOL! That was a funny line. :) I liked that they gave him a Rick and Bubba football helmet and he said he could give it to Simon if he wins, so when he is getting his head banged he would have protection. Something along those lines. :)


2,873 posted on 05/12/2006 8:23:41 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: SirLinksalot
Here are my top 20 performances, which if I could get a full length CD, I'd like to compile ( inno particula order of preference ) :

Your BEST POST EVER. I'm impressed. You gave various folks their props and I agree with a lot of this top 20. Mine would be a little different, but not much.

I'd probably have one or two extra Chris songs in the top 20, a couple less Elliot songs in the top 20, and add a Kellie Pickler song (contrary to popular opinion, I thought she did an excellent job on Bohemian Rhapsody).
2,874 posted on 05/12/2006 8:28:15 AM PDT by Texas2step (<><)
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To: SirLinksalot

YOu should send that list to AI so they could compile that CD to sell. I would buy that one because everyone of those songs I have liked as well. Interesting note, not a single one is done by Kellie Pickler. Nothing against her but there is not a performance from her that I truly liked. She was cute, but not one performance stood out for me.


2,875 posted on 05/12/2006 8:28:59 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: ilgipper
yeah, that classic rock song 'It's a Wonderful World' was performed by Chris. He diversified a hell of a lot more than Taylor - the wedding singer - has.

And that's just his problem, he tried to perform it as a rock song.

2,876 posted on 05/12/2006 8:30:23 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: doodlelady
Every single one of the finalists are amazing, imo. Kat's exquisite. Elliott's inspiring. Taylor's an icon with contagious enthusiasm. What a win-win ~ only in America!

Very eloquent! I think you are right. I loved this final 4 and will be sad when each one leaves until the winner. Whomever wins, I will be happy for them.

2,877 posted on 05/12/2006 8:30:25 AM PDT by conservativebabe
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To: floridaobserver

I see absolutely nothing wrong with anything he said....


2,878 posted on 05/12/2006 8:37:14 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
am just a little worried that 19E would chew up Elliott and spit him out.

I think your compassion for Elliott is very sweet. Having said that, I think you should still vote for him, if you like him best. What will be, will be. I have faith that Elliott has a good head on his shoulders and enough love around him, that he will be fine. No doubt, life will be tough at times, but this boy as a winner, and even having come as far as this, is such an inspiration for other kids out there who have disabilities, illnesses, and aren't the best looking of the bunch. Elliott is just plain terrific in every way, imo. He works hard, and illustrates what is best about this great country. You CAN succeed, if you really try.

2,879 posted on 05/12/2006 8:38:31 AM PDT by conservativebabe
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To: EmilyGeiger

i thought it was a pretty good interview - and he comes across as very nice and humble...i loved the story about evacuating NO in a cab all the way back home and then getting a free air ticket - and that's how he got to Vegas....


2,880 posted on 05/12/2006 8:42:53 AM PDT by BamaDi (Taylor - the man who is reversing menopause all across the nation!)
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