The CFR and the Trilateral Commission - The two organizations that run the United States

unknown | Melvin Sickler

[Gulf War One]

And Xenu and the body phaetons. They were omitted too.

[inquest]

But you'll notice that foreign policy changes more on the party in chanrge than whether they are CFR. So I don't think there is a whole lot of stage management.

True, there are differences, but I think those differences may be considerably less than what's suggested by the rhetoric. Most of us here remember during the 2004 campaign how this place was abuzz over the fact that in 1998, a number of Democrats (including Kerry) had petitioned Clinton to go into Iraq to disarm Saddam. I really think that if Gore had won the 2000 election, we most likely would still have gone into Iraq following 9/11, much as the Democrats like to bash Bush for having done so. There would have been differences in how exactly the operations were carried out, but probably not in the overall game plan.

[GSlob]

Well, to be considered an obligatory part in every conspiracy one needs to develop a distinguished reputation first. Similar to what would be needed to be invited to every formal state dinner at WH - it is not for all and sundry to get on that list.

[inquest]

I am not saying House is a great guy. Many or most of his ideas were quite stupid. I am saying he was not a Marxist, as claimed by the stupid article.

Actually you were saying more than that. You were defending his views on the war and implying that anyone who disagreed was motivated by pro-German sentiment.

I don't know for sure myself if he was a Marxist. Although he very much fits the profile of a Fabian Socialist.

[Gulf War One]

An excellent point. One wonders have many years a poor conspiracy must languish on the lunatic fringe before it is eventually deemed 'respectable.'

[Marxbites]

It is gaining respectability as real historians revise the progressive glut we've been spoonfed for almost 100years.

Have you not heard just how terrible and in many cases anti-American so many history texts actually are - being they are selected by the liberal cabal that is state education?

[Thunder90]

The CFR is a powerful think tank. Nothing more. It does influence policy, so the Russians had common sense to penetrate it and steer it left. I believe that a quarter of the CFR members are actually agents of foreign nations (Russia, mostly, but there are some Chinese agents too).

[Jean S]

Is HE a tinfoil hat candidate like yourselves?

I'm wearing a tinfoil hat just because I posted another article from this author? You are too funny.

[aculeus]

Yours is a woefully incomplete chart. No mention of Rotary International, Knights of Columbus or (your biggest mistake) Don King.

[gondramB]

>>Yours is a woefully incomplete chart. No mention of Rotary International, Knights of Columbus or (your biggest mistake) Don King.<


Shhh... For some of those you have to buy the newsletter. Now normally you need to be leve eight to be allowed to buy the newsletter but I'm willing to make an exception just for you. :)

[Marxbites]

Time after time the ones you see that actually identify their membership, all fit the leftist elitist mold - in the guise of saviors from our hapless selves. 100 years of progressive propaganda diffused throughout media, academe & govt has worked just as they planned, slowly, incrementally, with dashes of wars to expand spending rights. The periods of true growth, versus the inflation booms starting in the 20's, occured whenever govt taxed and regulated least.

In my lifetime; Kennedy, Reagan, Newt & W's cuts. Every time a systemic boom. But the Fed screws it all up so we can't really tell which cause equals what effect. By design I'd bet. Afterall, the Soros's of the world, those presumpters of power of his ilk, have silver arbitrages and the like to fashion when they decide it's time to cash out once again on the backs of average Americans who just want the cost of the elites using govt off their backs once again.

Some knuckleheads won't learn what really happened outside of govt textbooks at the beginning of a long run of vote buying power with opm given to congress by the judicial fiat of the FDR court. The ability for the first time to spend on special versus general interests such as a battleship which generally benefits all Americans equally. None of which would have been possible without the totally unaccountable, partly foreign owned, and uncontrollable inflation machine created in 1913 by banking interests, versus the interests of the people who were totally kept in the dark as to it's particulars.

Banking interests, especially including those from abroad who became the major shareholders with strong financial control and family ties to Wallstreet. The industrialists and cognicenti progressives were plain jealous of just how well their eurosocialist counterparts were accumulating power, and planning great societies for themselves with the new tool of socialism. From the lands that invented freedom, they near missed it completely, and what dear little is left, they are more than twice as close to the totalitarianism similar collectivism eventually brought them before!

It's as if for half the world, history never happened as it did. Unfortunately it takes decades sometimes to reveal the truths of an Alger Hiss and his other Kremlin directed cohorts within our Whitehouse, the UN, Soviet embassy & Hollywood that Venona fingered. SOB's that they might have been, McCarthy & HUAC eat Clooney's lunch on this one bigtime. We had the same subversives here that found weaker more traumatized and more extensively propagandized minds abroad.

My biggest fear is that a Jeb Hensarling (just on a while ago on the house floor-bless his little heart) who wants to revive the call back to limited govt, is about a day late and a dollar short. It should have been job one to rollback the New Deal and it's spawn en toto from day one. Where are the supreme court challenges now to the judicial fiat FDR's pre-stacked court kept rejecting routinely?

The founder's understood the corruptability of men, and the progressives have spent 100 years advancing them on the people's purse.

[miele man]

Well, heck, since I'm an ethnic Jew (sephardic, no less) AND on the board of a couple of banks, you presumably already hate me.

Well, my o my, I thought you were an Episcopalian? (:^)

[verity]

[MeanWestTexan]

I was raised Jewish, even lived in Israel, but converted to Christianity in the Army.

Baptised in the sands of Saudi Arabia, ironically.

And Anglican, not Episcopalian.

(See my profile.)

[reasonisfaith]

We know there are people who want to dissolve our national boundaries, with international courts, the UN, general anti-American sentiment, etc. So that’s not a question. And we know there are always demagogues and thieves who deceive in order to maintain power. And we know Marxist principles are increasingly prevalent in our government and in popular culture. These are known facts, not conspiracy theory.

So why the instant ridicule just because CFR is put under scrutiny?

There really are people who wear tin foil hats, and they are insane. We should acknowledge the clear distinction between insanity and rational vigilance that happens to be out of the mainstream.

Fear of appearing foolish might be a motivate to jump on the tin-hat-jokes bandwagon. The same thing was done with McCarthyism, it became a label, deterring people to some extent from vigilance against communism.

[gondramB]

>>So why the instant ridicule just because CFR is put under scrutiny? <<

It's not the scrutiny that causes the the ridicule. Scrutiny is good. I have criticisms of some CFR policies.

Where the ridicule tend to kick in is when people say things that are completely untrue (Like fantasy statements that the CFR is for open borders or is against national sovereignty) and then following it up with wild conspiracies about the CFR and Jews running the world.

[reasonisfaith]

I am aware that there are many officials in our government (I won’t mention the CFR) whose words and actions are consistent with a policy favoring open borders, against national sovereignty, and in fact in favor of Marxism. I agree the phrase “running the world” sounds radical, like a way to describe the power of a Roman Emperor. But having just the right amount of influence in just the right places regarding the Supreme Court, Congress, and agencies like the IRS, the Federal Reserve—I see how this kind of power could be the current day equivalent.

[gondramB]

>>I am aware that there are many officials in our government (I won’t mention the CFR) whose words and actions are consistent with a policy favoring open borders, against national sovereignty, and in fact in favor of Marxism. I agree the phrase “running the world” sounds radical, like a way to describe the power of a Roman Emperor. But having just the right amount of influence in just the right places regarding the Supreme Court, Congress, and agencies like the IRS, the Federal Reserve—I see how this kind of power could be the current day equivalent.<<


The CFR has been trying for 6 years to get tough border security passed. The homeland security department adopted their plan but they can't even get a vote on it in congress much less get it passed - they clearly are not in the Roman Emporer power category yet.

[reasonisfaith]

I’m convinced it’s not an all-or-none phenomenon. Surely the CFR is not 100% saturated with Marxists. But neither is its membership free of them.

[gondramB]

>>I’m convinced it’s not an all-or-none phenomenon. Surely the CFR is not 100% saturated with Marxists. But neither is its membership free of them.<<

Well, some conservatives would call Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton marxists but I've known real marxists - there is a world of difference.