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To: GAgal; LWalk18

It doesn't make sense that Bissey got that point wrong when he nailed so much.. He mentioned the shoe, the woman going back in, the racial slur, the police arriving to an empty house, the woman's clothing AND the FACT they ARRIVED together.

Initial accounts are most accurate.


1,483 posted on 05/05/2006 6:06:26 AM PDT by OakOak
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Check this out, I was tuning the Radio and I heard this Black station out of Durham. The Caller said the Duke boys did again what they did to that other girl and, if they aren't put away - they'll do it again. One of the Radio hosts said, that's true they got away with it before.

So, I looked for this other Duke Gang Rape in Durham.
This is what I found:

"They're trying to do to this girl what they did with that other girl," said James Fields, 81, alluding to an alleged rape of an NCCU student in 2001. "They'll try to degrade her any way they can."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/11/AR2006041101942.html

So NCCU Rape 2001 took me to this:

Two suspects in the alleged gang rape of a female N.C. Central University student were released Jan. 26 after the student decided to drop charges and NO PROBABLE CAUSE could be found.

Twin brothers Nathan and Quincy Rouson were arrested on Jan. 14 for second-degree rape and crimes against nature. They were detained in Durham County Jail with a bond of $50,000 each.

http://www.nccu.edu/campus/echo/archive5-0001/c-dropped.html

Sounds like two black guys (and 15 friends) from Roxboro - NOT DUKE STUDENTS.

THIS SURE LOOKS LIKE A URBAN LEGEND. This may be contributing to the outrage in Durham.



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1,484 posted on 05/05/2006 6:13:59 AM PDT by OakOak
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To: OakOak
Initial accounts are most accurate.

Eyewitness accounts are notoriously less than reliable. If you believe Bissey, you have to believe that the defense is lying because he claims that at least one player knew that they arrived at the same time. Even Nifong has said that they arrived separately, as did Kim. The cabbie believed that he saw the strippers in a white car when clearly Kim's car is dark colored. It is very easy to get memories confused.

1,486 posted on 05/05/2006 6:21:06 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: OakOak

I've always been mystified about this point. Bissey says he saw them drive up and get out of the car together.


1,524 posted on 05/05/2006 12:54:02 PM PDT by Jezebelle
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You know, thinking about it more, my best guess based on what we know so far is this: Kim is sitting in her car in front of the house. Mangum is dropped off a short distance away and walks up to Kim's car, maybe she knocks on the window. Kim opens the door for her and they speak for a few moments but Kim doesn't get in. The guys inside (who've been waiting and watching) see the light inside the car come on and a bit of activity and one goes out to greet and bring them in. Bissey's attention turns to the player coming out of the house. Taken altogether, Bissey perceives this as both getting out of the same car after just having driven up. If he didn't see or notice Kim sitting in her car by herself before Mangum arrived, he may not even have noticed the car. He said he'd just walked out onto his front porch at 11:50 when this all began so he probably had no idea the car had been there a half hour already. When the movements opening the doors and getting out began, he probably assumed they had just driven up. The mind always attempts to assign sequentially logical progressions to events, so we sometimes assume a certain event occurred previously based on what we're seeing before us. If Bissey had been out front earlier, and no car was parked there, and then as he's just come out of his house he sees two women who APPEAR to be getting out of a car that wasn't there before, his mind furnished the assumption that they had just pulled up, especially because a player came out of the house at the same time that he sees the women exiting the car.


1,537 posted on 05/05/2006 2:30:50 PM PDT by Jezebelle
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