" Do you have a link or source for the "upright position, .."
Yes- Nifong's own demonstration on the Abrams Report from March 31, IIRC. Abrams replayed the clip on Friday.
Nifong was standing upright, one arm in the choke hold position and the other arm showing how the AV was clawing and trying to pull the arm away from her neck, so she could breathe.
Interesting that in such a horrific attack as has been alleged-with the AV's mouth near each attacker's arm and Seligman's manhood- that no bite marks were even alleged to have been inflicted.
I still don't understand how Nifong can reconcile his statements and visual demonstration that she
" was clawing at her attackers in an attempt to breathe " and yet, in
the Probable Cause Affidavit it states that
Adam, Bret and Matt ".. forcefully held her arms and legs and raped and sexually assaulted her annally, vaginally and orally."
Nifong also said on Abrams that she was attacked from behind and he showed how her head was held immobile-facing forward, so I still don't know how she could give a positive ID as to which attacker did what.
The AV forgot the motto-KISS-keep it simple, stupid.
All the grand embellishments make her sound like Jon Lovitz.
Unbelievable. As in "not believable".
Additionally, for the "contortionist sex scene" to have played out and within the time frame, the boys would have had to have been "ready". Immediately. All evidence thus far shows that A.) The boys were bored. That means... Not Excited.; B.) Girls hadn't even gotten to showing any "bod".
I think what some one is trying to prove by "nuancing" the presentation of the "gang rape" is that this was all a pre-meditated "gang rape". Which of course, doesn't fit any evidence.
Second, she didn't scream?
Third, in a house that small with that many people... nearly everyone would have (been hard to miss) observed 3 boys entering the bathroom where they knew the stripper was.
If indeed the boys had been rowdy or raving or drunk, that door would have been punched open sooner than you could have batted an eye.
This says these boys are fairly orderly. It wasn't a "scene" some like to portray as some wilding Animal House. (I think the usual race/sex/media hustlers aren't making up their minds yet as to whether this was a "white stupid, naiive" toga party; or a wilding group of wild white rich boys. It shows through their reporting.)
The team Players knew each other very well. You don't play sports together and not know who's good/bad/indifferent/slow on the ball, a gentleman or not. If the scene had played as Defense (and AV) is suggesting it did, AND, the team members in the living room even suspected someone bad was doing something bad to a lone female -- there'd a been hell to play. There is honor in sports teams. I've no doubts many of the players would have rushed the door and beat the holy crap out of anyone "raping and beating and oppressing" an unwilling female. The facts do not even add up to a consensual "thing".
Lastly, many, many years I was attending an avant garde dance performance in Berkeley. In one scene was a 3 on 1 "gang" rape (via dance). It was portrayed as with violence and rapidity; and by very skilled, LIMBER, but SMALL in height dancers.
This alleged gang rape did NOT happen, certainly, not as it is being "surmised" and "presented."
In that wee tiny bathroom? Even in the performance, no way could she have been anally sodomized and raped by two different guys, and orally sodomized. Nope. Especially -- not in the time frame. Appeared fully dressed, walked out, came back to the house smiling to get her ruby slipper.
Additionally, the anal sodomy would have certainly made her clench her teeth, no?
Ergo the latest defense manuever: Date rape drug. Crystal knocked her drink over and began drinking Kim's.
Yes, Kim is my suspect on a number of counts. Who actually raped the woman? We don't know that it was rape versus consensual sex. But the "allegations" of who did "this" to Kim don't fit the facts being provided.