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the invasion force of 90,000 men would have been decimated.

[Leaving 81,000 German soldiers. You'd have been in deep kimchee.]

All of this "we didn't need America" nonsense is an attempt in Europe these days to get out from under our dominance. There's no limit to the fantasy scenarios they will swallow to achieve that goal, as Anglo demonstrates by citing a "study" in the "'70s", wow, now that's historic.

I've had this discussion before, and am reluctant to start it again. Europeans are pathetically pretending Russia won the war, which is kind of like saying Europe lost WWII twice, once to Germany and once to Soviet Russia.

Without the US fighting in Asia, Japan could have easily attacked Russia from the East, defeating Russia in three weeks. Without the US bombing Germany, fully operational German industry plus reinforcements of occupying armies from Western Europe would have defeated Russia.

On D-day there were something like 29 Nazi divisions, 33 American divisions, and around 3 European divisions, 2 British and one made up of Euro-scraps from other countries. Without US, 3 European divisions against 29 Nazi divisions, any fool can see it was no contest.

Of course Britain would have only lost, and could have only lost, and Germany would have easily defeated Russia with no pressure from America. But then, the self-esteem needs in Europe today are intense, and that's putting it mildly.