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Posted on 02/24/2006 9:12:25 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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It grows wild here... we see it all over in meadows and alongside the freeway... So we have to keep it out of the pasture though there's some out in the non-fenced parts out back. I took this pic of some up at Capital Forest.
Hey, that's outstanding. :)
Cody shares ice cream with Cindy:') He's such a cute little character. He's a little toughie but he's so gentle with her. I suggest that he might want to break her off pieces but that's no fun.
C'mon. You gotta share. Send some of that down here.
Foxglove is Digitalis. Common Foxglove, D. purpurea. Stem leaves short stalked, becoming smaller toward top of plant; these leaves are the source of digitalis, a valued but highly poisonous medicinal drug.
Lupine is Lupinus. Fabaceae (Leguminosae) It lists several varieties but doesn't list any of them as poisonus. I'll see what some of my other books say 'cause I sure seem to recall that they are.
And it looks so pretty in that picture. Do you know anything about Lupine? For some reason, I recall it being poisonous also but my gardening books don't say.
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6. LUPINE, BLUEBONNET, QUAKER-BONNETS
Lupinus perennis (wild) Lupinus polyphyllus (cultivated) (pea family)
TOXICITY RATING: Low to moderate in Indiana. In the western rangelands, where lupine grows plentifully, the risk of toxicosis would be high. Different species of lupine have different toxicities. According to reports, L. leucophyllus (velvet or wooly-leafed lupine) is the most toxic and should never be grazed since all stages of plant growth are toxic.
ANIMALS AFFECTED: Sheep are primarily affected, but all animals are susceptible.
DANGEROUS PARTS OF PLANT: All parts, especially pods with seeds.
CLASS OF SIGNS: Breathing problems, behavioral changes, trembling, birth defects, coma, death.
PLANT DESCRIPTION: Lupines (fig. 6) are herbaceous perennials grown in gardens or found wild along roadsides, in fields, and in open woods. Wild lupines are common only in the prairie and lake counties of Indiana. In the rangelands of the West, they are a leading cause of livestock poisoning. Several stems often grow from one creeping root and reach 12 to 30 inches in height. The leaves are alternate and pal- mately compound with 7 to 11 spear-tip-shaped, softly hairy segments. Elongate spikes of blue, purple, white, magenta, or bicolored pea-like flowers in early summer are followed by 1- to 2-inch, fuzzy, pea-like pods.
SIGNS: Toxicity in lupine is believed to result primarily from the alkaloid D-lupanine. The signs of lupine poisoning can develop within an hour or may take as long as a day. The signs are related to the nervous system and resemble the signs seen with excessive consumption of nicotine (tobacco): twitching, nervousness, depression, difficulty in moving and breathing, and loss of muscular control. If large quantities were consumed, convulsions, coma, and death by respiratory paralysis may occur. In cows that graze lupine, skeletal birth defects in calves can occur, and the syndrome is called "crooked calf".
FIRST AID: There is no antidote. Allow affected livestock to rest quietly, especially if they are unfamiliar with human contact. Handling, trailering, or other stress on the animals after they have been grazing lupine will make the signs worse and can increase losses.
SAFETY IN PREPARED FEEDS: The alkaloids in lupine remain after the plants have dried, so prepared feeds are unsafe for consumption, especially if the feeds contain lupine seed pods.
PREVENTION: Do not allow hungry animals access to lupine, particularly when in the seed stage, if other forage is not available. If lupines are prevalent in the pasture, become familiar with the particular species, since toxicities vary. Do not handle, process, or ship animals that are heavily grazing lupine since this type of stress will increase the number of animals that will become sick and/or die. Livestock can graze lupine without incident as long as excessive ingestion is avoided and animals are not handled or trailered while on lupine pastures (and if the animals are not pregnant). In cattle, to avoid birth defects, do not allow grazing between days 40 and 70 of gestation.
http://www.vet.purdue.edu/depts/addl/toxic/plant06.htm
Lupinus perennis (wild) Lupinus polyphyllus (cultivated) (pea family)
Maybe it depends on the variety.
This is such a question I can't quite figure out. How much money is enough money? All we owe on is our principal residence (payment of $700) cabin is free and clear. Hubby is retired and only collecting $1300 per month in SS benefits. I am REALLY tired of working and want to enjoy my horse and life before I'm too old.!!! I wish someone had the answer.
All the financial calculatores make it sound like I should have a million dollars !!!
Hey Cindy, it works for us and I spent a lot of time down at the cabin last yr. I haven't been down this winter because of hunting season(husband's turf then) and during the big snows. Can't wait for first nice weekend and I'm out of here.
They want you to have enough to live off interest and never spend the principle. That takes a lot.
Me, I can live ~pretty~ cheap. I'd rather have spare time than spare money.
I figure if I have enough bills paid off that our combined retirements will cover mortgage and horse feed with enough left to play a little. And maybe enough saved to cover an emergency (like a vet bill or two, or truck repair). I'll never have enough saved to be able to live on savings for any length of time :)
You were the one I was thinking about when I agreed to this:') It seems to work for you. I don't really care so much about the retirement but I want to be homebased and set my own hours. It was kind of neat. The stated makes me put a yearly calander in my catalog. I planned according to my needs and wants and not someone elses. So far it's been a lot of work and I'm not even open but it's been "fun" work and I can stop and start as I need. If you need the income maybe you could do something homebased too?
It costs to work. Clothes , car upkeep, gas, eating out....I figure it won't take us as much. Most of our big bills should be paid off by then. I'm "trying" to put half of my check in savings. I figure that way I'm saving but also it shows what we can live on. You might try it. Have a set part put back and forget about it like you didn't have it. No emergencies. You will soon know what you have to have and where to cut back.
I think you have it right:')
Not bad, huh? We're starting to get puddles. I haven't seen puddles since last spring.
It's sure worth a try. And, yes, it does cost to work :) If I can get major bills paid by this July, I'll give it a try. I've cut back alot already in so far as eating out, new clothes, etc. I really am determined to do this :)
Oh boy, that's great. Hopefully it will continue long enough to replenish some of your ground moisture. You don't have flooding problems there do you?
Not here at my house, we are up on a hill.
We need a retirement support club:') I think, no I know we can all 3 do these things:')
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