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OAKLAND: Are rowdy fans sinking Raiders?
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 10/27/5 | C.W. Nevius

Posted on 10/27/2005 9:08:04 AM PDT by SmithL

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To: discostu

I bought PSL's the first two seasons and then threw them in the trash. I'll get drunk with the best of em in the lot and in the stadium and it's fine if you're with the guys (not fine but OK). I took my wife to a game and that was it. I don't want season tickets if I can't take my wife and kids occasionally. I take my 7 year old daughter to the A's games all the time in the same park and it's great. It's the fans and the tolerance for those fans and it's ridiculous. I know alot of folks who still go but they go for the high end seats for the most part. I never thought of the hole as nearly expensive enough to qualify as high end.


21 posted on 10/27/2005 9:32:23 AM PDT by Bogeygolfer
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To: Clemenza

I dont know about the Priuses...those Raider games were nuts, with lots of violence in the parking lots. I had some friends down from Seattle and we went to a Raider game, and a riot broke out in the end zone. They were ready to leave when the tear gas was deployed.


22 posted on 10/27/2005 9:32:45 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: DarthVader

Exactly!

Can you believe they are blaming their fans for their financial woes?

How about fielding a decent team!

PS... the Lunatics/Rowdy Fans are a small fraction of the game attendees. The $$$ of the PSLs is what people don't like. Actually, the THEORY of PSLs is what I don't like!

I gave up my seats to the SF Giants because of this PSL crap. Happy to go for just a few games per year - or just watch at my favorite watering hole.


23 posted on 10/27/2005 9:34:54 AM PDT by Dashing Dasher (Life is the Pitts T-shirts are finally available!)
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To: SmithL
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LOOTIE NATION


24 posted on 10/27/2005 9:36:04 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Silver and Blackout)
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To: SmithL

Al Davis is sinking the Raiders. If you add an extension to your stadium and can't field a product that will fill the seats, plus making people pay PSLs on top of that, you're left with a sinking franchise.


25 posted on 10/27/2005 9:39:27 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: easymoney

During their last SB run somebody from ESPN2 did a game with the Black Hole denizens, found out most of them were lawyers and stockbrokers, after the game most of them got in Mercedes. They were just regular guys with a flare for the rowdy and wierd at games.

There's nothing ridiculous about it, the Raiders have always been about misfits. I'm sure there are some sections that are filled with more mellow people that would be fine for a 7 year old. Rowdies cluster, as do mellows. We get the same thing at college hockey games here, the sections near the visiting bench and visiting penalty boxes are filled with the loud and obnoxious (including me), the area behind the goal has the more mellow crowd. When I bring friends with kids I get seats away from the rowdies because that's the right thing.

Endzone up front is generally considered to be the second best spot for football (right after 50 yard line up front).


26 posted on 10/27/2005 9:40:04 AM PDT by discostu (When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back)
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To: martin_fierro

LOL..how did the Looter guy get tickets?


27 posted on 10/27/2005 9:43:03 AM PDT by PaulaB
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To: Dashing Dasher
How about fielding a decent team!

When owner Al Davis wasted his first-round draft pick a few years back on a kicker with a criminal past (Sebastian Janakowski) I knew he had lost whatever sanity and good judgment he has once possessed. (Janakowski turned out average, at best). No way Davis would've made such a move in his prime.

Long gone are the days when Davis could proudly (and accurately) state that the Raiders have the highest winning percentage of any franchise in the history of professional sports.

28 posted on 10/27/2005 9:45:55 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

Actually taking a kicker for his first round pick was the right move. The season before the team had gone 8-8 and lost 4 of those games by less than 3 points and had missed field goals in all 4, also their opponents had the best average starting field position in the league thanks to a horde of short kickoffs. The team would have gone to the playoffs with a better kicking game. While the kicker picked turned out to be not so good picking a kicker was the right move.


29 posted on 10/27/2005 9:49:47 AM PDT by discostu (When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back)
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To: GSWarrior
Al Davis is sinking the Raiders

Maybe so, but he's a rank amateur at killing a football team compared to the Yorks.

30 posted on 10/27/2005 9:52:45 AM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: discostu

I'm not saying they didn't need a kicker, just that it was completely unnecessary (and detrimental) to waste a first-round pick on one. Plenty of decent kickers can be found in the lower rounds. .....and every last one of them were/are more stable mentally than ole Sebastian.


31 posted on 10/27/2005 9:52:56 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: GSWarrior
For all the Raider fans here memories of happier times:


34 posted on 10/27/2005 10:01:34 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (RADICAL ISLAM IS A CULT. IT MUST BE ERADICATED ASAP)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Your first round pick is generally used to either fix a glaring problem in your team or get somebody to train up to replace an aging player in a year or two. The rest of the team was solid and still pretty young, but their kicking sucked. I don't disagree that Sebastian was the wrong pick, but I think given the state of the team at that point a kicker is what they needed most and that's what you should use the first round for.


35 posted on 10/27/2005 10:01:39 AM PDT by discostu (When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back)
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To: NCC-1701

Nice, but I am a lifelong Denver Broncos fan...


36 posted on 10/27/2005 10:27:39 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: SmithL

It's sad to see a great franchise mucking around at the bottom of the league, even if you aren't a Niner's fan.


37 posted on 10/27/2005 10:28:42 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: discostu
Wrong. You should never take a kicker in the draft. You can always get one off the waiver wire.
38 posted on 10/27/2005 10:31:29 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

When your kicking game takes you out of the playoffs it needs to be solved, nothing wrong with using your first draft pick to solve the problem.


39 posted on 10/27/2005 10:33:58 AM PDT by discostu (When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back)
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To: GSWarrior
Maybe you'll like these better:

40 posted on 10/27/2005 10:39:10 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (RADICAL ISLAM IS A CULT. IT MUST BE ERADICATED ASAP)
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