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Posted on 10/04/2005 9:56:41 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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I agree that their methods are useful to know and learn from, on finesse and finer points particularly. I just couldn't get over my disappointment in the series I watched on problem horses. I think that was "Resistance Free" by Richard Shrake. Not one horse acted up, even to demonstrate the "before" problem.
You'll see if you watch the videos, they say something like "this horse has a problem bucking when you cue him to canter" and they tell you the method they'll use to fix it, and show those methods being successfully used, and they'll show the fixed horse. They never show the horse bucking in the first place. They don't look like problem horses to begin with, they seem to use highly trained horses that go through the whole day without breaking headset or losing collection. If that's what they're going to do, they should say "This isn't a problem horse, this horse is just an example of what you're aiming for" There's value in that. I just think there's more value in also showing the bobbles and mistakes. The bobbles and mistakes are part of the scene people have to live through and the videos neglect to show.
They do the same thing in pictures and videos to train horses to load in trailers that have a phobia about trailering. They show the horse all calm, standing there like a saint, and they never show the horse pulling back or kicking at you when you're urging him forward, or sitting back on his butt rope will he falls on his ass.
People who are really having these issues will look at these horses, and their own, and say "Well, yeah - how does that help me? Get "Mine" to do that".
Yeah, I think so. I saw them both in person at Equitana in Louisville one year and I remember him talking about how challenging it was to work him in the round pen when he had his good eye to the outside. He couldn't see John at all when going in that direction. Consequently, he didn't really like going in that direction all that much. He may have gone totally blind later on, but that's what I remember about him.
Y'all were talking about him and the bear earlier, but the one that amazes me is Dennis Reis and a class of his students standing down a hovering helicopter. Now THAT'S impressive. They show it on his show occasionally.
I'm not familiar with Dennis Reis.... Haven't seen that one :~D
I hope to never see something like that. My quick-fire temper would get the better of me and I'd be likely to use the same lash on the person wielding it.
Exactly! Round pen work or lunging, or any other form of exercise, it's all about what kind of outcome you want. Do you want to 'just get on and ride', or do you want to be able to execute a particular manuever in a particular way, in *that* precise location? Both can be fun, but you have to know what you want out of your horse *before* you ask him.
Tell you what, I was seriously wishing for a smaller location while teaching Beren to lunge. It took a while before he didn't lug to the outside, or worse, cut off half the circle and make a mad dash for freedom. They never show that stuff on TV...
BTW, I'm envious of your beautiful flat grassy location... nothing but hills and limestone around here.
Yup... that's the gripe. ;~D
Bay tends to lean on the lungeline for balance, which tends to make him less balanced and his ass goes out from under him at the canter, particularly if the grass is slippery. Switching to long reins, instead of a single lunge line on the halter, is good for correcting that, because it gives you an outside rein.
With a passion. You, on the other hand, look just fine :~D
I was telling Becky yesterday about a show I went to once where there was a huge mirror down one side of the arena. I'd never been able to see myself riding like that before, and it was really distracting! As I went around, my trainer whispered "STOP looking at yourself in the mirror!"
What a lovely photo!
When I see pics like that one, I really want to learn to ride with an English saddle.
But first, let me figure out how to stay on a Western one. :-D
There is a clinician named Chris Cox that will show the actual problem. I have one of his shows copied on Tivo and it's called "stop the bucking". This horse bucked like a booger and they showed it bucking with Chris. It was a riot! I always make a point to watch Chris Cox and I also like Craig Cameron. He'll show the problem horses actually demostrating their problem and it's usually pretty funny.
Monty Roberts, Richard Shrake and especially Dennis Reis are dull as dirt. Pat Parelli is so-so, imho.
Oops, sorry frog, I just insulted Dennis Reis. I do think the notion of riding with sticks in your hands is out of the realm of what most people are going to try.
Ever seen an english seminar trainer that has videos? I haven't.
Yeah, but ragweed is an annual. I've found that if you bushhog it in late August or September, before it blooms and goes to seed, it may put back out from the stalk, but it doesn't come back nearly as thick, if at all, the next year.
That looks a lot like what we call Summer Cedar, but it's an annual and never gets as big as you describe Scotch Broom, plus it has no noticeable bloom.
I can see a similarity between Scotch Broom, and the shrubby Cedar Bush is constantly cutting at has ranch :~D
It's evergreen, and it makes a fine hedge... that's why I'm letting it grow up there, between me and the store.
You and me both:)
Becky
The only one I've ever seen show the before and after is Dennis Reis, but I can hardly stand to watch him because of the way that he talks to himself while he's working. It drives me nuts.
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