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Posted on 10/04/2005 9:56:41 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
I've watched a couple of his program tapes, and there is a lot of good information there. His show where he took an unbroke mustang off the range and saddled and rode him was informative in learning his method. His methods ~do~ teach us something about horses and how they think.
The only complaint I have about them is the same complaint I have with John Lyons or any of the other seminar horse trainers that make tapes about "How to deal with a problem horse". They never show the problem. I've never seen a horse on one of those shows so much as pin an ear back, let alone be a 'problem'. I think it portrays working with problem horses and breaking horses as being much easier and risk free than it really is. I fear it encourages people who really have no such skills to go out and try this stuff.
His show on the range mustang, he had chased that horse for many hours, getting fresh horses himself several times, to wear that animal down to the point of exhaustion before he roped it. He said that in passing, but he also edited it down to appear very short and easy, and attributed the lack of fight to his methods, rather than crediting much of the horse's docile reaction to the fact that he'd run him 50 miles.
That kinda stuff bugs me. I rented a couple John Lyon's "problem horse" videos too, wanting to see him take on real problems, and the horses were as docile as any school horse. "See I do this, and the horse never fights". Uh huh. That horse you're doing the demo on didn't, but I can also tell that the horse is clipped and bathed, clipped inside the ears like a show horse, his feet are painted, so tell me how hard to handle that horse really is."
End rant. :~D
The bucking is easy to handle. I just grab them and tuck them like a football. Rearing is what I hate . They are so fast and I hate it when I get my lip busted or see stars.
He's graying out for sure! I like the dapple period... they're really pretty. My grey Arab stallion was white by the time I had him, his show pictures when he was young, a steel-grey Arab in a halter class, looked like a different horse.
Rant on:)!!!! I agree with your whole post.
And it more then just bugs me. Those guys should all be throwed in the pen for fraud:)
Becky
We have a couple of places like that around here too. My co-worker just went on a school field trip there one day this week with her pre-schooler. Said it was just incredible. They sell mums and gourds and indian corn and all that other decoration type stuff too. In the summer they do a pick-your-own strawberrys thing. It must be a pretty good business.
Wow he has lightened up")
The spider is how I pictured Charlotte in Charlotte's Web:)
Becky
It's so funny, how farmers, and country people are looked down on some by city people, but the city people sure like country entertainment:) Makes you wonder just who does have the most brains.
Becky
Boy, I hate a rearing horse too. Worst/most dangerous habit they can get into. I wouldn't keep a rearing horse. It's a hard thing to break.
Is one of yours doing that?
Becky
No. No horse problems. I was talking about kids though:') You have never held one of yours and they suddenly throw their head up and slam you?
Speaking of Bears.... the Appy stallion on the cover of ""Fear in Rider & Fear in Horse" is his stallion that we see in a lot of his demonstrations. The horse is blind.
Doesn't that change the nature of this picture?
To train a blind horse to move and trust is HUGE. I'd be very interested in how training that stallion was different, and much harder, than training any other horse. But he rarely mentions it in his demonstrations, and I think it's really relavent.
OHHHHHH! I was gonna demand pictures of you tucking a horse like a football!
Are you speaking about when you are on the ground and you're leading them? No I've never had that.
One of the first horses I had way back when, would come up on her front end while I would be riding her and I had my lip busted and glasses broke when the top of her head slammed into my face. I sent her to a trainer for a 10 day evaluation. After the 10 days he told me the horse had just never really been broke. She came out of a dude string. She would follow other horses fine, but didn't know what to do if there was not a horse in front of her so she'd rear. She just never learned to go forward on her own. He told me that with her being as old as she was she would never make a beginner rider's horse. I sold her.
It's so funny, I use to think that horses would just automatically go forward if the rider asked. It just seems so logical to me that that is what they should do. I didn't know that horses have to be taught just to go forward.
Becky
Are you kidding??? Yes that does change that picture entirely. Like I said, those guys should be sued by every beginner that tried their methods for fraud.
But most of the people that really use that stuff are just people playing at learning to ride/train. They are content to spend years chasing their horses around a round pen. JMO, tho:) Anyone who is really interested in riding, is just going to get on and start riding.
Becky
LOL....OOOHHHHH, OK, I understand now. You're still speaking about kids:)...LOL. I was really confused.
Becky
LOL! Me too! That is what I call her!
I am going to miss her but hopefully one of her offspring will take up residence next year. The first of these yellow garden spiders showed up outside my back door 4 years ago. For 3 years straight, I had one of their descendants in the same location, and many more around front in the bushes. But, this year while I saw quite a few early in the summer, they all left except for this one out in the barn. One of them did live outside my back door for about 2 weeks, but moved on.
Hopefully, next year, the population around my house will be back at its higher levels.
That said, I agree about this. What rider, much less horse is going to be so casual , this close to a bear?
That is just amazing. I had no idea.
Becky
Sorry:') There was a post about DeaconJim with kids in the round pen.
Sure you can do both. But I know alot of people around here that have been doing round pen work for years with their horses. If their happy doing that that's fine. But these people that I know "say" they are training to ride, and tho they may do some riding, it's not much, and they always feel they have to do round pen work every time before they ride. At some point horses should be able to go out and be rode without having to do that. They need to be exposed to all kinds of things, that you can't expose them to confined in a pen. They may be fine in a round pen, but that does not mean they will be fine outside it. The round pen work is to ground them in basic commands, after that you just have to ride. I've gotten the impression that these people feel that if they follow the steps of these TV trainers that then when they take the horse out (if they ever do:), they will be perfect. It just doesn't happen that way, but IMO, that's the impression you get watching these clown horse trainers. And I think that is why so many of these people keep on forever working in the round pens. They get the horse out and it doesn't act perfect, so they think they still haven't mastered the steps of the trainer they are following.
I guess I'm being a bit harsh towards the trainers, but I've seen alot of riders get discouraged, and alot of horses screwed up by people trying that stuff. It's all misleading, IMO.
Becky
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