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Posted on 07/14/2005 3:23:55 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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Your right:), I think that is the main problem people have in seperating what is abuse and what isn't. They project human response on to a horse. Horses, IMO, don't even have the same responses to things as a dog. I'd never keep a dog if it had to be tied up. Fenced is one thing tied up is another.
Becky
i don't know too many people who don't like the draft horses:)
They do take your breath away:)
Becky
Well then tieing her up would probably be very beneficial for her as far as building a more trustful attitude in her. If she was riding good, sounds like is all she needs is to learn to trust a little more. It might take a week of doing it to see really good lasting results.
Becky
I don't think it's abuse, but there would be a limit in how long, before it would become abusive, I suppose.
The mental aspects of it that make them respect you could also lead to destructive boredom and vices if done too much. Compulsive weaving, cribbing, windsicking, all the things horses do when they are bored. I can see the use in starting horses. I wouldn't want it as the horse's usual lifestyle.
I'd also still fear a wreck, if they went down tied to something that won't break, and no one knew they were in trouble. There's plenty on that trailer a horse can cut himself on. You know horses.... if something happens to make them panic, they won't stop until something breaks.
She actually tries pretty hard to please, it's her fear of failing that panics her. At the time she left the trainer, an experienced rider could have continued with her. But since she wasn't going to be near quiet enough for Tiff's son then, no one ever got on her again.
I've thought about it more than once.... getting on her... just to see what happens.
I agree with this whole post. You can't just do this day after day after day their whole life.
The way we do it is, if we get a new horse, or have one that hasn't been rode in awhile that "might" be a problem we tie them the first day. Depending on how they act determines how long they stay there, or for how many days we do it.
I've never had a horse that wasn't fine by the second day or just a few hours. I would also say, I have no doubts that this won't work on some. It's just a good discipline to "start" with with one. Then can be done sporadically for reenforcement.
It can be a good thing to do to a horse that is barn sour. If you got one running back to the barn, well let them go, but then tie them up and leave them for a long time....they might not be so anxious to get back. I've always thought one of the main things that contribute to making a horse barn sour is making the end of the ride the most pleasant part of the experience. Bring them back in and immediatly turning them loose, and/or feeding them, etc. Why wouldn't they be anxious to get back.
Make coming back not that great and they won't be so inclined to do that. If a horse isn't barn sour just leaving them tied for an hour or so after comeing back once in awhile is a very good thing to do to keep form developing that problem.
Becky
Dogs become aggressive when tied up for too long, that's true.
I feel bad enough tying up my Lab when it's bath day. :-D
Well, I'd leave her saddled and tied a day or two before trying. It would at least accustom her to the saddle.
Becky
I know, and I've always wondered why tying one makes them get that way. Why is that differnt then being in a fence. It's all restraint, but dogs really react negatively to it if done for long periods.
Becky
My guess is it makes them defensive.
They are at a disadvantage since they can't flee from the situation. So all that's left is the fight response.
After a while, without socialization, all that's left in them is fight.
Heh... It's usually only been a thought, when I've been working with her and she's very good. She does everything else I ask of her. She trusts me... I think she'd do better for me than hiring someone else to do it.
Maybe sometime.... maybe not. If I did get on, I'd prolly just get on bareback. She's short... I can't get hurt too bad sliding off if she goes ape ;~D
But sliding off if she goes ape is just teaching her to go ape. If she would go ape, given her history, I don't think she should be punished at all, BUT:), getting off is rewarding the behavior. I'd make sure to the best I could that I would come off, then hang on. She'll stop eventually, then pat her make her go just maybe 5 minutes or so then get off. She'll catch on that's all you want her to do.
Sorry don't mean to preach or act like a know it all, just talking. No horses to ride today, nothing to do:)
Becky
would=wouldn't....
Sorry, I'm sure you'll figure that out:)
Becky
I think it's the restraint by the neck, that lunging against a chain on the neck has emotional impact. It triggers fight instinct. In a fight, they go for the neck, and the neck is where dogs will clamp even to discipline or enforce pecking order with each other. That's why leash training works, but it only makes the dog tense if the leash is held tight all the time. That they would be yanking against it when trying to do normal dog things, releases adrenaline, frustrates, angers or otherwise messes with their minds. When introducing two dominant dogs to each other on leash, if you hold the leashes tight, they are much more likely to fight than if you give them slack.
It's alright. I know she'd need me to stay on through some bumps to get through it.... but my desire to not get hurt is stronger than my need to get her broke ;~D
I'm told it's really hard to stay on her. She is so fast, and there's nothing to hold on to....
Thanks for the pictures! I love seeing horses play.
That was one of the main reasons I was nervous of feeding my neighbors two pit bulls. They have always been kept on chains....log chains. Moving them from their chains to their crates was scary.
Becky
I can understand that completely:)
Becky
:)...I love showing them:).
Becky
Heh... don't worry, after all this time, I'm not about to do something hasty with that pony :~D
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