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The Hobbit Hole XXII - ...Apple, thorn, and nut and sloe
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Posted on 06/01/2005 7:12:04 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!
...Apple, thorn, and nut and sloe
New verse:
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Upon the hearth the fire is red,
Beneath the roof there is a bed;
But not yet weary are our feet,
Still round the corner we may meet
A sudden tree or standing stone
That none have seen but we alone.
Tree and flower and leaf and grass,
Let them pass! Let them pass!
Hill and water under sky,
Pass them by! Pass them by! |
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Still round the corner there may wait
A new road or a secret gate,
And though we pass them by today,
Tomorrow we may come this way
And take the hidden paths that run
Towards the Moon or to the Sun.
Apple, thorn, and nut and sloe,
Let them go! Let them go!
Sand and stone and pool and dell,
Fare you well! Fare you well! |
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Home is behind, the world ahead,
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadows to the edge of night,
Until the stars are all alight.
Then world behind and home ahead,
We’ll wander back to home and bed.
Mist and twilight, cloud and shade,
Away shall fade! Away shall fade!
Fire and lamp, and meat and bread,
And then to bed! And then to bed! |
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To: TalonDJ
Talon, you ever shoot cast bullets in that .44?
2,381
posted on
06/10/2005 8:41:18 AM PDT
by
Oberon
(What does it take to make government shrink?)
To: no one in particular
Looks like the cousin reunion might be getting wet:
2,382
posted on
06/10/2005 8:43:13 AM PDT
by
Overtaxed
(Bad Hobbit! Bad!)
To: RosieCotton; Overtaxed
Got the garage mopped. I held the freezer over while Matthew mopped underneath. He said "If Dad were home, he'd help you...but since he's not, I'll help you!" :-)
I ask you...does Pine-Sol seem like it's weaker than it used to be? I've tried to use it and it just never seemed as strong as I recall from my childhood. I thought it was just me, but then Steve brought home an OLD bottle of the stuff from the pollution collection event and it is eye-watering strong stuff! May be just 'cause it's like 30 years old or something...
2,383
posted on
06/10/2005 8:45:08 AM PDT
by
2Jedismom
(Let the nagging begin.)
To: RosieCotton
There are an amazing variety of ammunition types out there and always more being created. There are some nuances so I expect someone more knowledgeable to jump in here and correct me if I get something a little off.
The most common ones are pretty straight forward. The main number is the diameter of the bullet itself. In the case of .44 that means the bullet is 0.44 inches in diameter as seen looking down the barrel. Likewise .22 caliber is about half the diameter. As basic geometry dictates it has much less mass. Beyond that there is a wide playing field out there about just how much powder is behind the bullet and how big the brass holding it is. Within a specific size there are variety. These are come up with originally by a gun designer and then adopted by other companies. For example .45 ACP stands for Auto Colt Pistol and was originally developed by colt. Just about every .45 automatic in existence uses this round so it is enough for someone to say .45 auto and people know what they mean. Another .45 is the .45 Long Colt. The diameter is the same but the shell is almost twice as long and is mainly used in revolvers. The rifle you shot was a 44 magnum. The real name for it is .44 winmag for 'Winchester Magnum'. Magnum generally means the cartridge is pretty long and differentiates it from an shorter wimpier round. In the case of the .44 that is just about the only flavor of 0.44 caliber bullet in use. There are others but just about any time someone says 44 it is know which one they meant simply because other forms or .44 are fairly rare. .357 is one where both a 'short' version and a 'magnum' are in common use. The shells are mostly the same but the 'magnum' is longer and holds more powder. Gun types toss around the numbers pretty free and easy mainly because there are only a relative handful of the most common types of bullet. It is mainly a matter of just getting to know them by what guns generally fire them. Another twist on it all is the metric bullets like 9mm. It is just the same thing only in mm instead of inches.
The number by it self does not tell you much except that people recognize that number and know what guns fire it.
.223 and .22 are about the same diameter but have vastly different power. G'nads rifle (the one 2j is posing with) is a .223. It is mainly recognition that allows numbers to be tossed around. We all know .22 and .223 but if you said .221 you would probably get a blank look and a question. Maybe someone somewhere in a lab made a 0.221 bullet but no one has ever heard of it. Like wise we toss around .44 and .45 and people will assume .44 winmag and .45 ACP are what you mean. Ask for a .43 and they will look at you kinda funny since no one has ever heard of such a gun. So while a .45 is higher than .44 since it is less powerful since by using those numbers I PROBABLY mean .45 ACP and .44 winmag. There is such a thing as a 45 magnum it is not at all common so that is most likely not what I am talking about.
To: Oberon
No, I don't reload (yet) and I really and not up to speed on all the differences between cast and jacketed so I am not sure what the point would be. My .44 is was new when I got it does not have all that many rounds though it yet (Due to cost and kick)
To: 2Jedismom
I agree. I think they watered it down.
To: Overtaxed
2,387
posted on
06/10/2005 8:51:29 AM PDT
by
RosieCotton
(Pray, hope, and don't worry. - St. Pio)
To: RosieCotton
It's "only" a tropical storm so far. But still, I'd stay away from the basement. :)
2,388
posted on
06/10/2005 8:52:40 AM PDT
by
Overtaxed
(Bad Hobbit! Bad!)
To: Bear_in_RoseBear; JenB; RosieCotton; Oberon
I thtill think we thould call him Ithildur. I like thith guy... he'th thilly...
2,389
posted on
06/10/2005 8:52:50 AM PDT
by
g'nad
To: TalonDJ
Well, let me encourage you...the .44 Mag is a very easy cartridge to reload for, and because of its typical velocities it doesn't suffer at all by being loaded with cast bullets (as opposed to jacketed ones).
A friend of mine and I got into reloading and bullet casting, and discovered that we can produce good-quality pistol ammunition for under three dollars per fifty-round box. Freepmail me if you want any more information.
2,390
posted on
06/10/2005 8:53:26 AM PDT
by
Oberon
(What does it take to make government shrink?)
To: 2Jedismom
I'm very happy to report that I indeed seemed to have fixed the problem! woohoo!
I gotta mop that whole part of the garage...it got defrosted meat juice all over.
mmmmmmmmmm... defrosted meat juice...
2,391
posted on
06/10/2005 8:54:43 AM PDT
by
g'nad
To: Oberon
3 bucks! Wow, that beats 25cents a bullet :P
The only reason I have not gotten into it yet was lack of space. I just bought a house (my first) so I expect to start reloading within a year or two.
To: TalonDJ
Excellent rundown!
So...more questions...
Is .357 typically Magnum as well? And does that mean it has more powder (and presumably more kick) than a .38 whatever? Mostly thinking of pistols here, but...
And hmm...I see they make a .357 version of your Winchester. I wonder how that feels?
That last is a rhetorical question. Mostly.
2,393
posted on
06/10/2005 8:57:16 AM PDT
by
RosieCotton
(Pray, hope, and don't worry. - St. Pio)
To: TalonDJ
Hmm.. actually those 44 mag rounds were more like 60 cents a bullet.
To: Overtaxed
I doubt it'll hit as a hurricane, at least. But it's probably a good thing they had mostly indoor activities planned...
2,395
posted on
06/10/2005 8:58:02 AM PDT
by
RosieCotton
(Pray, hope, and don't worry. - St. Pio)
To: TalonDJ; g'nad; osagebowman
Hmm.. actually those 44 mag rounds were more like 60 cents a bullet.Ouch...and I imagine some of the others were pricey, too.
I didn't even think about it at the time, but should we be compensating some of you guys? Let me know - I'd be happy to. It's the least I can do!
2,396
posted on
06/10/2005 9:00:26 AM PDT
by
RosieCotton
(Pray, hope, and don't worry. - St. Pio)
To: TalonDJ; Oberon
btw, it's .44 RemMag...
all the .44 rounds you put thru my Redhawk (mmmmmmmmm... Redhawk...) were reloads I did on my Dillon RL-550... cast bullets...
oberons right... .44 is a very easy, forgiving caliber to reload... unlike .40SW or 10mm... lot's of catastrophic failures with reloads... I don't own one of those...
2,397
posted on
06/10/2005 9:01:27 AM PDT
by
g'nad
To: RosieCotton
.357 is considered a 'pistol' cartridges so any time it is in a rifle it is usually the magnum flavor. I don't know how much less the kick would be compared to mine. Kick can also be cut down even with the same basic bullet depending on the type and amount of powder used. Bullets are also specified by the 'grains' of gun powder use in each bullet. A rifle like a model 94 would fire ok even with a kinda light (on the powder, not the lead) round. I would bet the .357 would be a good bit lighter kick than the .44
To: RosieCotton
The two cartridges that Talon's talking about are the .38 Special and the .357 Magnum. Yes, they have different numbers, but the bullets are the same diameter. The .38 Special is actually .357 inches across.
The reason for this goes back to the old days when heel-based bullets were the rule, and not the exception, but a full explanation of that is kinda beyond our scope, so...
.357 Magnum in a Winchester 94 carbine is a very pleasant cartridge to shoot, very manageable. It wouldn't hurt you as bad as the .44 Magnum did. Best of all, if you really want to plink with easy-shooting loads, you can load it up with .38 Specials and shoot it that way.
I'd like to have a .357 lever-action, myself. It's on my must-buy-before-I-die list.
2,399
posted on
06/10/2005 9:02:33 AM PDT
by
Oberon
(What does it take to make government shrink?)
To: RosieCotton
I think they (or some weather weenie somewhere) thinks it'll reach hurricane strength by landfall.
2,400
posted on
06/10/2005 9:02:57 AM PDT
by
Overtaxed
(Bad Hobbit! Bad!)
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