Posted on 05/04/2005 4:52:19 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society
We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail!
Good morning!!
Do not let the victims of the attacks on New York and Washington, nor the brave members of the Nation's military who have given their lives to protect our freedom, die in vain!!
Yesterday, we had quite the debate over global warming and whether it was real or not. At least in this forum, it can be said the antagonists of the theory won the day over the protagonist that tried to press his or her position.
Which brings us to a bigger question, what of environmentalism, and are conservatives inherently against it?
Well, that's sort of asking: "Do you like to breathe dirty air, drink dirty water, and walk through dirty landscapes?" Of course not, that's silly on its face.
Yet, that is the argument that is consistenty and vehemently postulated by the leftists in America--only THEY can protect the environment. Only THEY have the responsibility to protect the non-human species that wander the planet. If it were not for THEM, species other than humans would cease to exist.
Well, like yesterday's debater, it helps to come to the table with some facts.
Here's some dealing with the radical environmental movement.
Today, there is a story where windmills are being opposed in Wisconsin. Clean energy, right? Taking it from the wind, not burning fossil fuels? Taking a premium off of what nature sends around anyway? What can be wrong with that? Birds--the windmills will kill birds.
Global warming. That debate is less about science than about control, how to run everyone's lives. This becomes evident when you review some of the meetings. New science keeps emerging, and this is probably real science, that forces changes in the "theory" of global warming. But these people don't go "wait a minute, we need to study more to find out what's the best course of action," no, that's already been decided--control of the masses. The theory is revised, but in such a way that still requires draconian people control.
Recycling. A nice hot button here. But, guess what? There's been some information coming out lately that recycling is acutally more harmful than creating the product new in the first place. Seems the radical environmentalists forgot to factor in the transportation of the waste material to recycling places, the chemicals used in recycling, disposal of those chemicals, and so on and so on.
Car pooling, and mass transit in general. Sounds good, move large masses of people with trains and busses. One problem: what happens when that capacity fills up? THEIR answer: build more. All right, where? The problem is, mass transit allowed suburban areas to explode, and in the process pushed land values up like a rocket. Statistics have not been researched for this piece, but it would not be surprising if mass transit was the number one contributor to both suburban growth and property value increases generally. And those people have to be supplied. They are supplied by trucks. Trucks that now fill our Interstates, for which we have no more room to build for them because of the lack of foresight. Traffic is gridlocked with no solution--because the mass transit capacity is choked. Net result? Massive increases in air polution.
Enter the Clean Air Act. Now if there was ever a case in mass hypocracy, this is it. The left creates the urban smog soup from their failed efforts with car pools and mass transit, forgetting about the need to provide pavement (busses have to go somewhere you know) and rail (prohibitively expensive, you should know) in advance, and then they say "clean it up"! HOW? Our cars cannot move, the trucks are stalled on the highways belching soot, and we are told it is our fault.
Baloney. This country is straining under two decades of failed policy efforts on the part of the "green" movement. Our cities were, for a while, becoming "green", but are now, once again, moving to brown. Yet governments persist in the failed policies. The Commonwealth of Virginia, for example, has (finally!) authorized two more lanes for Highway 495. Sadly, they are to be "High Occupancy Toll" lanes. Have three or more souls, free, otherwise you get socked.
Having witnessed these lanes in both New York City and Georgia (although you don't have to pay a toll there), they are abject failures. No one is using critical concrete, and the allowable lanes are clogged with cars and trucks, continuing to contribute to the smog overhang. Georgia is more liberal than the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway--you only need two people. And yet, during my trip to Alanta I could observe they were essentially EMPTY during rush hour.
High Occupancy Vehicle programs have been pursued for almost three decades. Isn't it time to say "ENOUGH" and accept THEY ARE NOT WORKING!?
We need to find ways to get cars and trucks moving, and that means concrete. Will the areas around the new pavement grow, certainly. But isn't that how we manage to prosperity? Isn't staying stagnant a recipe for ultimate demise: "a man who stands still is bound to be run over."
Indeed, the procurment and placement of asphalt would lead to the environmentalist's mantra: the solution to polution is dilution. Spread it out. Move the cars and trucks, then the exhaust won't turn to brown soup.
But that leaves the question, is the right "right" on environmentalism? Well, we don't hate the environment. Indeed, we honor a quaint old idea: husbandry. Use what God provides, and make sure we leave it in a state where it is usable.
This can be leveraged. It has been shown that when a company is given exclusive rights to an area, they manage it well. Tree farms are cut appropriately because the paper company wants to stay in business. The fisheries that are given regions to work in the sea strive to protect fish to the extent it allows their business to flourish. These work, they should be pursued.
The problem is, it turns the locus of control to individuals, and that the radical environmental movement cannot allow for it forces them to concede both that they were wrong and their power they wield.
But like the birds in Wiconsin, we will fly around their windmills.
For AMERICA - The Right Way, I remain yours in the Cause, the Chairman.
Thanks.
Understood.
Hoping this troll finally goes over the edge.
I truly well and hate the enviros now, especially after having been one.
The enviro wackos have. Farmers in some areas are not allowed to work their whole farms because some city slicker, who knows nothing about farming, found a puddle of water and called it a wet land. The green enviro wackos have taken away a lot more freedoms, than just from the farmers. How about the lack of oil refineries, because the enviro wackos have put so many rules and regulations in place it it cost prohibitive to build new ones.
Well isn't THAT special.
You're out of your league Sweetie. Some of us here have been following these issues for 30 years.
I challenge anyone on this board or anywhere else to provide names and addresses of ANYONE anywhere who became an expert on any issue in 2 months.
Now that we know that we're dealing with a self proclaimed expert, who acknowledges he only has 2 months of study under his belt, I suggest strongly that we ignore any further posts.
I believe it was Will Rogers who said: "Never argue with an idiot, because they'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience".
I am going to follow my own advice. And I'm going to call room service (HA!) to order more KoolAid. YELLOW KoolAid.
Really.
If it grasped reason and logic, why does it roll a ball of crap around backwards?
The allegory fits, as you keep rolling the biggest ball of crap anyone has ever heard of, and you keep going around and around backwards.
How true...how about Oregon's economy? The whacko's chain themselves to dead and dying trees so they can't be cut. No matter how many times they are told that trees are a renewable resource, the disagree.
And one has to look no further than Russia to see the unbelievable ecological damage caused by the Communists.
The Ukraine used to be able to feed the Soviet Union and provide revenue from exports. Last I checked, the Ukraine today is a net importer of food grain. There are vast reaches of nuclear and chemical pollution in the interior of Russia that may, for all practical purposes, never be cleaned up, insofar as natural processes would take hundreds of thousands of years.
But they were caused by Communists. Beyond what came out right after the fall of the USSR, you see zippo in the "mainstream" media today.
I'm writing this one donw. That is a great comeback. Hopefully one day I can use it.
Yes.
There's a lake in Russia that is so toxic that geese landing on it die within seconds.
But according to the enviros, the commies 'understand'.
*wretching barf*
According to the enviros, it's all evil capitalist industry and the desire to own things that is evil.
That shows quite well the essence of the enviro movement to anyone who knows what communism espouses.
But, as you said, the media keeps willingly silent on things.
Heck, the only time ELF or Earth First get mentioned is when they burn down houses, not when they murder people, destroy vehicles and equipment, or assault people to 'get a message across'.
LOL!
Welcome!
No, you missed the threat.
I'm going to SACRIFICE you.
You did see that post, right?
You whined when China was mentioend as a polluter, and a bigger polluter than the US.
And when it was shown to be fact, you got remarkably silent.
Another one of your 'not enough time' moments, rigth?
No. You said it.
With any emerging, complex issue like this, the best you can get at any point in time is a probabilistic assessment, based on the existing material - some of which points in one direction, and some of which points in another.
"Some of which points in one direction, and some ... in another."
Sorry, there it is.
As I said, you made my case.
I knew if I kept at it long enough, your argument would have to become a pretzel.
I am going to go more potting soil, but I anted to stop by and say President Bush just spoke on the capture of al-Libbi.
Call me crazy, but I think there is more up his sleeve. Just a feeling based on how he looked.
Back later.
*chuckle*
Still rolling the ball of crap around I see.
Tell me, what about the territorial aggression of said species?
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