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STARTREK:Its Long Trek Over, the Enterprise Pulls Into Dry Dock
NYT ^ | 05/01/05

Posted on 05/01/2005 9:58:15 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: starfish923
When female fans started bailing out, Enterprise took on water and never quite seemed to find a way regain its ballast. There was a lot of male pleasing eye candy and very little in the way of exciting science fiction writing. And most of the writing turned out to be rehashed from previous series. It was a show with a good premise done very badly and subsequent improvements came too little, too late to save it for the long haul. So its just as well its being finally mothballed.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
41 posted on 05/01/2005 11:15:28 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ChocChipCookie
DS9 had the Cardasians and shape shifters.

The captain was the weakest link -- a HORRIBLE actor. Everyone else looked good, even when they weren't.

The entire planet, their stupid faux gods/aliens-in-a-wormhole, their annoying, arrogant women priestesses, their entire condescending attitude towards all males (except, noticeably, male minorities) and their sillier-than-thou ear pieces made the show a real snoozer.

ONLY the Cardasians and shapeshifters saved it for me -- and they were OUTSTANDING. Gull Ducat was a breath of fresh air. Odo was fabulous. The rest? ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz. Its death was predictable. Too bad they HAD to center it on such a bad actor -- a well-spoken token.

42 posted on 05/01/2005 11:16:49 AM PDT by starfish923 (Iohannas Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem)
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To: vigilo
By the way, this month QL's Third Season is due to be released on DVD. The Dukes Of Hazzard's Third Season is slated to be released on DVD as well.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
43 posted on 05/01/2005 11:17:36 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: dts32041

Not crazy about a female "Starbuck," either, but:

1. Great physics. Plausible FTL. Great explainations for why human piloted craft and the bridge is a heavy, wired set (cylons invade basic tech).

2. Great war scenes, with no "shields" or ho-ha. Nukes, anti-missles, etc. (Former Army pilot here, like realistic air-to-air combat).

3. Hard choices --- leaving people to die, etc. Very anti-utopian.

4. Deals with some of the oft-unanswered issues --- like currency, barter between crafts for items, etc.

5. Boomer is hot.

6. Seriously flawed personalities --- e.g., xo a drunk, wife a witch, dealing with a communist/terrorist 'cause you have to; etc.

7. Considerable mystery and intrigue.

It is far better than the original BS on so many levels.


44 posted on 05/01/2005 11:24:41 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Trek's not dead, as long as I have my tapes of the original series. Guess when Enterprise bites the dust, I'll pop in "Arena" or "The Tholian Web". Now that's entertainment!
45 posted on 05/01/2005 11:25:07 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

That's not what they said. They said UPN's primary demographic is female's, that made it difficult to build Enterprise audience because most of the people that were showing their "free" commercials to (commercial time in other UPN shows) were not in the demographic that watches Star Trek, it also meant no spill over from the previous show, and meant Enterprise didn't provide spill over to the next show. Thus why they kept shifting it in the schedule, add that the previous season really wasn't very good and you've got a major flop situation on your hands.

Really they need to shut down Star Trek for 10 or 15 years, let it rest, let the audience re-juvinate, pick up the next direction of scifi and fit Star Trek into that.


46 posted on 05/01/2005 11:26:36 AM PDT by discostu (quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: Aaron0617
Not to mention she and Linda have great looking belly buttons.

They certainly did, long live Empress Sato. This is a great last season. Just like Angel where after they're canceled do they put out the best episodes.


47 posted on 05/01/2005 11:27:25 AM PDT by Aaron0617
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To: starfish923
Re #42

Don't leave out Garak. Romulans were good, too.

48 posted on 05/01/2005 11:29:15 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I thought Star Trek was pretty much over when Next Generation ended.

I don't know how they did it, but the Original Series (Kirk, Spock, McCoy) was somehow imbued with that 'Space Race' optimism and "can-do" attitude. Nothing after that felt as compelling, though the Next Generation came close at times.

I couldn't stand Deep Space 9. I mean, I know what a soap opera is. Puttying up noses and claiming it's in space doesn't make it any different.

The two times I tuned into Voyager and Enterprise told me that the staff wasn't capable of assemblinbg even a bad Doctor Who episode.


49 posted on 05/01/2005 11:29:42 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Dallas59
As long as there are Sci Fi fans...there will be a Star Trek...

I tend to agree. Sci-Fi channel.

50 posted on 05/01/2005 11:30:03 AM PDT by Jackknife (No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation.-MacArthur)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

B & B killed Star Trek. Enterprise never had a chance sadly. Instead of making more Trek, they decided to write a time cops story about somthing which never ever existed in trek before.

A prequel still could be done right - and it can appeal to new viewers. Whether we are talking about the romulan-human war, or getting back to space exploration (the way roddenberry did it in the orginal star trek or even TNG/DS9).

If you ask me, Trek has been in decline since voyager.. essentially since paramount made it to where you could see it on UPN only. Syndication is what MADE Trek viewable. Stations could plug it in where its audience could find it.

anyways..


51 posted on 05/01/2005 11:35:28 AM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: Oztrich Boy
It's my belief the Central Planets were the Federation. Just 14 episodes before they took the sky away from Malcolm Reynolds. Yes I'm bitter.

You and me both, brother. You and me both.

52 posted on 05/01/2005 11:36:29 AM PDT by Marie (Stop childhood obesity. Give them Marlboros, not milkshakes.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

The new BSG is more like BSG: 90210.

The scripts do draw you in more (the conflict is more intense).. but they could do without all the T & A and damning of relegion and the chain of command.

They take the "everyone is flawed" notion too far.


53 posted on 05/01/2005 11:36:50 AM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Dang! I was out Friday night and I forgot to set the timer for part II of "Through the Mirror, Darkly". I have to check if there's a rerun of it tonight. Thanks for the reminder!

TS

54 posted on 05/01/2005 11:37:19 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I teach Environmental Science in high school. Scary, isn't it? (of course, grammar is a pet peeve.))
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To: CasearianDaoist
It was too PC for my tastes. All sorts of agenda programming.

I tried to avoid saying that, but you're right. Next Gen' was rife with it and everything afterward was consumed by it.

People howl about how un- PC Star Wars is, yet a remarkable number of "haters" are already pumped for the next Star Wars movie to come out.

55 posted on 05/01/2005 11:37:39 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: goldstategop
When female fans started bailing out, Enterprise took on water and never quite seemed to find a way regain its ballast. There was a lot of male pleasing eye candy and very little in the way of exciting science fiction writing. And most of the writing turned out to be rehashed from previous series. It was a show with a good premise done very badly and subsequent improvements came too little, too late to save it for the long haul. So its just as well its being finally mothballed.

Yep.
I really loved the Borg, Vulcans, Cardasians and Klingons. I really DID love the Druz who killed ALL HUZNAK too. There were some fabulous species, villains and heros.
Everyone in the first two shows seemed to get a fair shake. Star Trek Next Generation was the zenith.

The butthump p.c. of Deep Space 9 was HORRIBLLY bad acting of the Captian Cisco, around whom the show was built. The moronic worm hole aliens, their man-hating priestesses and the stupider-than-thou ear pieces weren't enough to counteract the glorious Cardasians and shape shifter.

Voyager annoyed me from the get-go. I spend weeks sending the series SCATHING letters about Capatin "Bun Alert" Janeway and her IDIOT fisr officer Lietentant "Artichoke personality-Me-Wise-Indian-Who-Can't-Act" Chakote Artichoke.
Lol. They actually made severe changes for the better -- before they succumbed to twit-tit-crotch-butt-o-rama with 7/9. What a farce. Also, they made Paris such a stupid, weak, pathetic white guy moron. Sad, but predictable.
I did love Belana....but then, she was a minority female, playing a mixed-race Klingon -- perfect p.c. crapola which she really did well. I enjoyed her character.
For Voyager, with all its women cast, their "action" was to have all the women screaming at each other and at the men. They couldn't have any knock-down, drag out fights because women don't do that. So they had weekly screaming matches. BORING. There was little real action because there were so few men in the cast and they couldn't have TOO MUCH good stuff, fights, action scences and such, because they would have STOLEN ALL THE SCENES. That was a DEFINITE no-no for Voyager. Better to be bored to death by Janeway's infernal blabbing.

I only watched Enterprise occasionally. Watching young female Vulcan boink everything that wasn't bolted down, in scantier and scantier clothing with blonder and longer hair was the basic immediate channel switch.
They all knew it but didn't care. The fire died. Those in charge thought with their crotches.....a fitting death for them, since that's how they chose to frame their final Star Trek enterprise.

56 posted on 05/01/2005 11:38:21 AM PDT by starfish923 (Iohannas Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Enterprise was a good franchise for Star Trek. Sorry to see it end.


57 posted on 05/01/2005 11:38:38 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: BradyLS
Re #49

Trekdom is divided into two groups, for DS9, against DS9. DS9 is a polarizing series. Certainly it does not satisfy wanderlust. Despite some heavy PC set-up, the plot of entire series was quite impressive. It was one epic tale, rather than a collection of episodes with no coherent plot-line over the entire series.

58 posted on 05/01/2005 11:39:08 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: goldstategop
That hasn't stopped them from cranking out the Law & Orders. How many years total do they have so far?

TS

59 posted on 05/01/2005 11:40:02 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I teach Environmental Science in high school. Scary, isn't it? (of course, grammar is a pet peeve.))
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To: TigerLikesRooster; MeekOneGOP

It's almost dead, Jim.


60 posted on 05/01/2005 11:40:11 AM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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