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To: Coop
"Papers" are issued for dogs if the record keeping of the breeder is in order. In the case of rare breeds like Ibizan Hounds, the ability to register and compete with the breed helps to keep interest and numbers up enough for the breed to sustain itself.

The fact that these are registered dogs may help find them new homes among those people who compete in the various dog sports. The puppy mill rant accuse these dogs of being part of the puppy mill industry, it was a cheap shot.

11 posted on 04/15/2005 6:01:31 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Varda

No, it wasn't a cheap shot. It was a very valid point.


13 posted on 04/15/2005 6:02:49 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Varda

That is what I fear.
These are -not- puppy mill dogs.
They are good dogs who have never lived in a "kennel" environment.
They *were* all house dogs before the HS got them.

Do a google search for Ibizan puppies for sale.
You'll be hard-pressed to find any.
The breedings that *do* take place already have the puppies sold to people on ridiculously long "waiting lists".

I know because it almost impossible for me to find *another* one when my first rescue Ibizan started getting old enough to worry me.


14 posted on 04/15/2005 6:07:44 AM PDT by Salamander
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To: Varda
"Papers" are issued for dogs if the record keeping of the breeder is in order.

"Papers" are issued with total disregard for the record keeping of the breeder. They are pretty much issued to anyone who sends in the money to the AKC (as long as the paper-buyer is shown on the AKC records as owning a dog of the same breed as the papers requested for a new litter -- even if the alleged parent dog has long since died, or been sold to a new owner who didn't re-register it with the AKC). Do a little research if you don't believe me. The AKC has even continued to issue papers to puppy mill operators after they have been legally shut down by animal welfare authorities in their state. One mill in Pennsylvania, found with dozens of mistreated dogs in filthy conditions and all clearly of unknown parentage, was shut down by the state. Within a year the AKC was issuing papers to a "different" mill, at the exact same address, and with the new registered breeder being the spouse (same last name) as the first one who was legally prohibited from breeding dogs in the state.

And "purebred"? What a joke. My vet has told me some wild stories about the "purebred" dogs with "papers" that have been brought to his hospital -- including a "golden retriever" with so many black spots on it, that the vet seriously thought one of its parents must have been a Dalmatian. The vet actually spoke to the breeder of this dog, as the new owner was distraught over the dog's clearly congenital health problems and trying to get some financial compensation from the breeder. The breeder kept insisting to the vet that it was a "purebred" golden retriever. And of course it had the "papers" to prove it!

61 posted on 04/15/2005 10:41:55 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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