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It's Happening Again (We've Got Another Schiavo, Starving In GA, No Brain-Damage)
Media Release | 4-6-05 | The Family of Mae Magouirk

Posted on 04/07/2005 2:59:57 AM PDT by schmelvin

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To: eeevil conservative

"Once they diagnose someone with dementia- the writing is on the wall."

And as dementia is notoriously difficult to diagnose and in the early stages is often confused with the normal aging process, reduction of blood-flow to the brain, they had to go one better and coin the term PVS Permanent Vegetative State a term which is also under dispute because the patient isn't comatose, and even a patient in a deep coma for years will sometimes come out of it, but the condition/symptoms of PVS can be INDUCED by the administration of drugs which then confirms the original erroneous diagnosis and bingo! You have a guardian who has the power of life or death over you and that's the end of you.
Culling the elderly, that's all it is.


2,301 posted on 04/12/2005 5:27:33 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Proud to be an Aussie.)
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To: eeevil conservative

DUH...The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast
Your Community Hospice..... the site you referenced...IS the hospice where Terri was when she was killed. I'm sure they put all that info on their site to give the appearance of being a state-of-the-art, fine and caring, "end of life" facility. I'd probably believe it...if I wasn't aware of their association to the Schiavo case.

In fairness, there may be some honest and caring people involved, but knowing that George Felos and others there are members of the "death" squad...I'd be suspect of their real motives.


2,302 posted on 04/12/2005 5:30:55 PM PDT by Believer In Truth
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To: Believer In Truth

She might be able to wipe out her assets but one thing can't do now is wipe out Miss Mae!

(methinks that the legal fees will take care of anything that's left, serves Gaddy right.)


2,303 posted on 04/12/2005 5:32:02 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Proud to be an Aussie.)
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To: schmelvin

HIGH FIVE !!!


2,304 posted on 04/12/2005 5:36:09 PM PDT by Believer In Truth
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To: Fred Nerks
I wouldn't want my doctor to admit me to a facility where my survival depended upon 'hospice guideline dictates'

It would take all the guess work out of it.

But the six months pertains to ones life expectancy prior to admission. I don't think they implant a six month timer after you're admitted.

2,305 posted on 04/12/2005 5:39:21 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich

If you are a 'senile old geezer' as you say then perhaps what you are doing here is advocating your own 'right to die with dignity' in a hospice of your own choosing, it's a decision you make for yourself and not for others.


2,306 posted on 04/12/2005 5:40:00 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Proud to be an Aussie.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Mae's life is #1 priority and for now, is in good hands.

I know Beth is forbidding family to see Mae, but wondering if they can "call" her; if she's able to talk on the phone (?)


2,307 posted on 04/12/2005 5:46:28 PM PDT by Believer In Truth
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To: RGSpincich
I guess my question is, has Mae objected?

There have been alot of claims that Mae's lack of lucidy was only the result of the alleged hospice care. Too much morphine and not enough food and water. That has presumably been reversed at UAB and I anticipate a lucid Mae to emerge soon, if what those claimants say is true. The time of reckoning is near, one way or the other.

That's a good question. Last I heard, Gaddy has barred any family members from visiting Mae, but that still would not stop a lucid Mae from speaking to doctors and nurses. (Provided they would even listen to her due to Gaddy's claim that Mae suffers from dementia.)

I do recall that Ken told Glenn Beck that when his mother was hospitalized the first time she suffered from an aortic dissection she spent 3 months in a coma before she woke up and got back to living a normal life. So, I don't know how long it will be before we hear from Mae. I really, really would like to hear her side of the story, though.

I am curious about Gaddy's claim that Mae suffers from dementia. I want to know if Mae was properly diagnosed as having dementia and WHEN she was diagnosed as having this condition. After all, dementia is not something that just occurs overnight. There should be some documented history of this, but so far all I have seen is Gaddy's claim in a court document. I'm not even sure if this claim has been backed up by any doctor who is familiar with Mae.

2,308 posted on 04/12/2005 5:46:55 PM PDT by schmelvin
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To: Fred Nerks

Actually, I just had a very worrysome thought.

According to Ken in his interview with Glenn Beck, when his mother suffered from her aortic dissection she was in a coma for three months before she woke up and resumed her normal life.

Mae's living will specifically states that she may be denied nutrition and hydration if she is in a coma. If Mae goes into a coma and Gaddy is still her legal guardian, she can then legally kill Mae.


2,309 posted on 04/12/2005 5:58:25 PM PDT by schmelvin
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To: schmelvin

Thinking there is a need to know if there is a phone in Mae's room...if she can make or receive calls. Did someone mention she was in ICU ? If so, don't think phones are allowed as not to disturb them. If she's in a private room, and there is a phone, has Beth blocked that form of communication?

Just checking: did you read my post to you on #2212 ? I'd be interested in your opinion, especially on Mae's Living Will and what she checked off regarding nourishment/hydration.


2,310 posted on 04/12/2005 6:00:32 PM PDT by Believer In Truth
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To: schmelvin

I'm not a lawyer, but I see a different meaning in Mae's Living Will. (Page 31 WND copy)

Scroll back to my post #2212. I was questioning the intent according to the wording and how Mae marked it. The way I'm reading it....she authorizing them to 'PROVIDE' it, not deny it in the event she is in a coma or PVS. I'd be interested to have other opinions


2,311 posted on 04/12/2005 6:07:40 PM PDT by Believer In Truth
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To: Believer In Truth; schmelvin
The way I'm reading it....she authorizing them to 'PROVIDE' it, not deny it in the event she is in a coma or PVS.

The heck with "authorizing" the provision of nutrition and hydration. She is ORDERING IT. She is DEMANDING it.

Also, Ken's use of "in a coma" may have been colloquial or lazy talk. It may be that his mom was sedated and not terribly responsive. The medical treatment that permits the dissection to heal likely requires a person to be fairly still. And/or, Ken's mom may not have been "caught" at the same time in the progression of the dissection.

It's too bad that Gaddy is such a pucker-butt that she won't communicate.

2,312 posted on 04/12/2005 6:13:10 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Believer In Truth

I'll take another look at the living will and post it here.


2,313 posted on 04/12/2005 6:16:18 PM PDT by schmelvin
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To: schmelvin; All

I just got an email from Kenneth-- not for publication-- freepmail me if you would like- I would like your feedback...


2,314 posted on 04/12/2005 6:19:32 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (Don't Change Minds, Change Lives! Sherri Reese)
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To: eeevil conservative

Uh oh. What did he say?


2,315 posted on 04/12/2005 6:21:46 PM PDT by Lovergirl
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To: Lovergirl

OOOpps!! sorry.


2,316 posted on 04/12/2005 6:23:34 PM PDT by Lovergirl
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To: Cboldt

Looks like you and I agree on Mae's intent and as you said, ORDERED it to be done if she is in EITHER state; coma or PVS. Any attempt to ignore her request is (IMO)attempted, 1st degree murder, with malice and forethought!

As to the loving and so caring G-daughter, the truth has no reason to hide. Those that won't step-up are afraid and have no defense. If she doesn't provide her "truthful" side of this issue, it will be perceived as falsehood on her part and further validate the claims of Ken, etc.

Personally, if I were she, and I was telling the truth, I'd be right there in their face backing up my statements!


2,317 posted on 04/12/2005 6:24:09 PM PDT by Believer In Truth
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To: schmelvin

You have a heart of gold. Let me try to put your mind at rest; Miss Mae is now in a hospital. Under the care of medical professionals. Even if she slipped into a coma as the result of her condition, the fact that she once before recovered from the same, would prevent her IMO from being removed from the care of her physician. Remember, the rules of admittance to a hospice are that she has only six months at the most to live. Ask yourself, under what circumstances would her current physician sign such an admittance form?


2,318 posted on 04/12/2005 6:26:53 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Proud to be an Aussie.)
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To: schmelvin
I'll take another look at the living will and post it here.

It appears that the checkbox "including nourishment and hydration" meand that the signer WON'T get food and hydration, and checking "excluding nourishment and hydration" results in getting food and water.

The language in the model form is confusion (as is the language in the FLorida Model form), and I bet that many signers have waht is referred to as "critical confusion," choosing an action that is directly contrary to their true wishes.

Georgia Living Will

Living will made this _________ day of _________(month, year).

I, _________, being of sound mind, willfully and voluntarily make known my desire that my life shall not be prolonged under the circumstances set forth below and do declare:

1. If at any time I should (check each option desired):

( ) have a terminal condition,

( ) become in a coma with no reasonable expectation of regaining consciousness, or

( ) become in a persistent vegetative state with no reasonable expectation of regaining significant cognitive function, as defined in and established in accordance with the procedures set forth in paragraphs (2), (9), and (13) of Code Section 31-32-2 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, I direct that the application of life-sustaining procedures to my body (check the option desired):

( ) including nourishment and hydration,

( ) including nourishment but not hydration, or

( ) excluding nourishment and hydration,

be withheld or withdrawn and that I be permitted to die;

http://www.ilrg.com/forms/states/ga-livingwill.html <-- Link
2,319 posted on 04/12/2005 6:28:58 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Believer In Truth

If I were Miss Mae's physician, at this point in time I would refuse telephone calls, interviews, anything at all that might worry or concern her, anything at all that might affect her blood-pressure. She needs peace and quiet and lots of sleep!


2,320 posted on 04/12/2005 6:30:13 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Proud to be an Aussie.)
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