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To: PeterFinn

Baloney. Go and take your lithium - you're ranting.

I find it amusing certain people such as yourself demand government leaders BREAK the law just because they want them to.

I admire Governor Bush for refusing to break the law despite their personal preferences on the matter.

There's no doubt in my mind conservative fanatics such as yourself will be livid and devastated if the next democratic leaders break the law under pressure from leftist wackos. Perhaps it will be YOUR freedoms they will target next. Or your home they will confiscate. Or your religion that will be persecuted.

Only idiots would demand their leaders break the law - the moment this becomes acceptable; the slippery slope is stepped upon and every group with their own agendas will be demanding similar influence. Do you really want the satanists to begin running your churches? After all, perhaps the satanists will be demanding the next democratic leaders ALSO BREAK THE LAW and violate the US Constitution by making satanism the official religion of the US.

What goes around comes around. Don't forget it.


18 posted on 03/28/2005 8:19:53 AM PST by Edward Watson
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To: Edward Watson

Ike sent troops to Little Rock in 1957 to uphold the Constitution and protect black students from being lynched.

The Bush brothers could have done at least that much to save Terri Schiavo. Instead they did nothing but wring their hands and proclaim their powerlessness, and now 'powerlessness' is what they shall have for as long as they retain the meaningless titles of 'Governor' and 'President'.

And if you're so damned concerned about laws being broken, trot your ass down to Pinellas County and place Judge Greer under arrest for HIS violations of Florida State law by allowing heresay testimony to determine the fate of a ward (Terri Schiavo) of the Court.


33 posted on 03/28/2005 8:31:31 AM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: Edward Watson

"Only idiots would demand their leaders break the law"

So when the Allies condemned Germans to death for failing to break Nazi laws the Allies were idiots?

Sorry, if there were a law passwed tomorrow and upheld by judges that it was legal to kill Jews I would be killing the people who passed, adjudicated, and enforced that law.

An unjust law and unjust court rulings are no law at all.

Human decency and morality MUST trump laws and judicial decisions. If we cannot count on our elected leaders to restrain the avarices of the courts (Checks & Balances works both ways) then we as a country are lost.


67 posted on 03/28/2005 8:47:48 AM PST by PeterFinn ("Tolerance" means WE have to tolerate THEM. They can hate us all they want.)
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To: Edward Watson
You're absolutely right. What short memories some of the people on this board have! I wonder how many of them castigated the mayor of San Francisco a while back when he said he would defy the law and perform gay marriages. Hmmmmm?
74 posted on 03/28/2005 8:52:12 AM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: Edward Watson
Only idiots would demand their leaders break the law

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc.... lawbreakers all.

Don't forget Abraham Lincoln -- his "Emanicpation Proclamation" was a DIRECT CONTRAVENTION of the Supreme Court's Dredd Scott decision.

140 posted on 03/28/2005 9:31:05 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us...)
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To: Edward Watson

Only idiots would demand their leaders break the law - the moment this becomes acceptable; the slippery slope is **stepped upon and every group with their own agendas will be demanding similar influence. Do you really want the satanists to begin running your churches? After all, perhaps the satanists will be demanding the next democratic leaders ALSO BREAK THE LAW and violate the US Constitution by making satanism the official religion of the US.

What goes around comes around. Don't forget it.***

EXACTLY! do we want rat govenors running amok?
I had told my husband that I wished Jeb would ride in on his white horse to save teri. He reminded me that in order to do so he would have to ride right over the heads of the state and supreme court.

he said fast forward, to a possible Hildabeast presidency-a simular situation comes to the courts, but they rule in favor of leaving the feeding tube in. However she feels the woman would not want to live that way, so she takes the poor man or woman into custody and yanks the tube. would anyone here not wail and scream?

It is a slippery slope and the rats would take full advantage-it would be total chaos!

Jeb has done all he can without breaking the law. We should take advantage of having a prolife president and make sure that this never happens to anyone again.


192 posted on 03/28/2005 10:22:29 AM PST by OMalley
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To: Edward Watson
I think the difference here is Jeb Bush is like a man in a position to save a child in the middle of the street from traffic but he is afraid to break the jaywalking laws or go against the red light to go save her. I remember in my pyschology and sociology classes, one landmark case is the Kitty Genovese story from New York City in 1962/64 where a ladt of the same name was raped and killed, she hollered for help but no one came to fight the rapist/killer. Technically, firearms are almost illegal or at least very hard to get in New York City, even at that time, unless you use some extra-legal means. If somebody would have save Kitty with an illegal handgun but in the grand scheme of things the greater good is served even though the law has been broken technically.

My high school buddy said a long time ago, "the law is not sacrosanct." In other words, the law is not God nor is it an end all or be all. If it was, it would still be legal to own slaves, bar Black people from schools even if they live in the district (if they were freed from bondage), have White and Colored water fountains and seats at sports stadia, you could literally own your wife and you would need a guy with a red flag to walk in front of your car.

We cannot be like "Inspector Girards" here, referring to the policeman of the same name in the 1960's TV series, "The Fugitive." Despite Richard Kimble (David Janssen) getting railroaded into the death penalty, Girard kept chasing him, well I know it was his job, but he worshipped the god of law no matter what the circumstances are. The TV series even made me question the death penalty but that's another topic.

So it seems like the rule of law is broken here and when that happens, it's twin brother, the rule of force is sometimes needed. It could be Jeb sending in the tanks or it could be a peaceful protest where the protesters break into the hospice, unarmed of course, and surround Terri as human shields (I hate that term really but I'm being quick here). Trouble is, if things are not fixed, nature abhores a vacuum so the rule of force will move in. The two are meant to be kept in harmony, in a give and take relationship, but when one fails, the other takes over and that ain't good. Still, given the situation, if I was Jeb or the President, I would roll the troops in, Pinellas 2005 would resemble Saigon 1966.

I look at it from this angle, if Jesus died on the Cross for all of our sins, He died for me, gave up His gift from God for us, the least I could do is risk my political career to do the right thing and let the future take care of itself. Maybe, I might sound like a wacko zealot or a "Holy Roller," but you know, I was taught to do the right thing, first within the law, but there are times you have to step over it, we will answer to a higher authority someday.
251 posted on 03/28/2005 11:12:57 AM PST by Nowhere Man (I hope you enjoyed your dinner, Terri Schiavo can't. B-()
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