Schindlers accuse Jeb of torture

Fox News Shawn Hannity | 25 March 2005 | James F. Rowland

[St. Johann Tetzel]

What I find most disturbing is the fact that he is a deacon of the Catholic Church and that he is allowed to give homilies.

See post # 340. Apparently, Sinkspur's posts insulting the Schiavos and against the Pope's position on tube feeding have generated several phone calls of complaint to the chancery offices of both Dallas and Fort Worth.

From what I've heard, they have denied having ANY permanent deacons fitting the profile by which Sinkspur identifies himself. However, both dioceses are having an internal investigation into the posts of "Sinkspur" and will take disciplinary action if necessary.

They have both stated unequivocally that no deacon of either diocese lives in Euless TX.

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[sinkspur]

You can't back that up because you have no proof whatsoever that Sinkspur is a deacon, and the chancery offices in both Dallas and Fort Worth have both reportedly denied having ANY ordained Permanent deacon fitting the self descriptions Sinkspur has publicly provided on this Forum.

Nice try.

[St. Johann Tetzel]

Indeed. Keep your head down, Sinkspur. I hear you've ticked off a couple of the "wrong people" with your posts here. These things have consequences when you publicly claim to speak for a diocese as one of its ordained.

[Saint Athanasius]

Sink,

I disagree... Jeb is playing the role of Pilate.

[shield]

Jeb Bush has done so much trying to save Terri through the years. He even sent state troopers in to save her...Friday...its unfortunate he was unable to save her through those actions.

Heads will roll over what's taking place with Terri...I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of the monsters that are killing Terri.

[proust]

"He even sent state troopers in to save her..."

that's the part I don't get. Since when do local police have jurisdiction over state troppers?

[narses]

Robert Schindler said that "the governor is responsible for the agony of the past week. He can act. He has the power to act."

That is right Deacon, he said that. Just as the President of the United States acted with armed force on Holy Saturday in 'defense of parental rights' in the Elian case, Governor Bush or President Bush could act in this case. They have demonstrated that their nerves are week. In the case of Governor Bush, a Catholic, he has shown his faith is week as well. His oath of office requires him to act, he chooses not to. Like the cowardly Bishops who stayed silent so long, he will have to answer for this affirmative failure.

[shield]

I think they were afraid of an actual shoot out.

I wish the Feds would go in...civil rights of a disabled women...DOJ should step in over the civil rights issue...

[Askel5]

Jeb is playing the role of Pilate.

[G Larry]

Where did you get the idea that Mr. Schindler said this about Terri?

[Saundra Duffy]

Apparently, Jeb Bush read the polls and discovered it wouldn't be popular to save Terri. Boda bing boda boom.

It all came down to him and he turned his back on Terri's suffering and the injustices heaped upon her innocent head.

[Palladin]

Bingo!!

[Palladin]

sink got it straight from Chris Matthews' lying sputtering lips:

MATTHEWS: OK.

Let‘s talk possibly, John, about overkill here. The lawyers for the parents have said, if their daughter dies, there will be a damnation of her soul. This is overkill. If you come in and say that, somehow, Terri Schiavo, in the state she‘s been in for 15 years, will somehow suffer punishment by God because she dies this way, what do you think of that kind of a statement by the lawyers...

FUND: Chris.

MATTHEWS: No, I want your response.

FUND: Chris, one of the worst things that‘s happened is...

MATTHEWS: What is your response to that? To that?

FUND: Chris, one of the worst things that‘s happened in this...

MATTHEWS: No, I need that.

Let me go to Jim.

Jim, I want a response to this. It‘s an incredible statement.

WARREN: Yes.

MATTHEWS: These are Roman Catholics saying that their daughter will be punished in hell because of the way this case is coming down. I have never heard theology like that. I have no idea where it is coming from. But it smacks me as overkill. And I don‘t think it is going to help the parents‘ case.

Jim Warren.

WARREN: Yes, I mean, even factoring their—even factoring their extreme sensitivity, it is an absurdity too gross to be insisted upon. It is a hyperbole beyond the pale.

FUND: Chris, one of the worst decisions the Schindlers made was to retain Randall Terry, who has in extreme background in the pro-life movement. This is a man who is under court order not to go near abortion clinics. This is a man who has made many extreme statements.

I think the Schindlers did hurt their cause by retaining Randall Terry, because he is simply, despite his eloquence, bad news.

MATTHEWS: You agree, though, it is an awful thing to say that the daughter, who has been comatose, not really aware of things going on for 15 years, and somehow she will be blamed by God for what has been done in the courts?

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: What does that mean to say something like that when you‘re Mr. Schindler or Mrs. Schindler?

FUND: Because the emotions run so highly and because everyone in this case seems to privately hate each other within the Schindler and the Schiavo families.

MATTHEWS: Well, that‘s a fair assessment.

FUND: I think—I think the statements are extreme and I think it is unfortunate this has spilled out on national television.

MATTHEWS: Well, it has spilled out when you start issuing statements by your lawyers saying your daughter is going to be damned to hell unless she gets the right decision in a court, which is the most screwball political and religious statement I‘ve ever heard, let alone the law.

[St. Johann Tetzel]

sink got it straight from Chris Matthews' lying sputtering lips:

You mean that all this time Sink has been condemning the poor suffering Schindler's, its been over a misquote by a liberal main stream media idiot?!?

Sinkspur, you got some 'splainin' to do! Call the chancery office, ASAP!

[G Larry]

Oh, why am I not surprised.

John Fund should have said:

'Chris, I think you should quit repeating the lie.'
'Terri's parents did NOT say that about her.'

[Palladin]

Exactly.

It tells you something about the mentality of certain people on this thread who take Chris Matthews' word as gospel truth. ;)

[St. Johann Tetzel]

MATTHEWS: But this is what David Gibbs said, the lawyer for the family, the Schindlers, the parents. He said, if they put her—allow her to die because of natural causes, not getting food and drink, whatever, that‘s disobeying the Vatican.

And that could create additional damnation of her soul or add to the time of her suffering in purgatory.

It does not appear to be Schindler who made the comment sinkspur referenced. Please note what lastchance said in post # 253:

The language is confusing but it is not claiming that Terri will go to hell if someone kills her. Please read further on. The brief explains that as a Catholic Terri would not make the decision to end her life because of the Church teachings condemning Euthanasia and suicide. It says that for her to advocate her own killing by the withholding of food and water would be a sin of the gravest proportions. It is not saying that Terri soul is in danger of hell if this is done to her. It is saying that Terri would not have made this choice because such a choice voluntarily made would endanger her immortal soul.

The lawyer may also be implying that if TERRI had expressed a desire to be STARVED to death in such circumstances as those in which she is now in, prior to her injury, that would have been disobeying the Vatican, and would essentially constitute a request for assisted suicide or voluntary euthanasia.

Such a request, IF Terri had made it prior to her injury, WOULD constitute a sinful attitude on her part, and IF fulfilled according to her supposedly expressed will would constitute assisted suicide.

The mainstream media sucks for willfully misrepresenting this little detail.

Freepers who blindly believe the mainstream media when they make such ridiculous claims should be ashamed of themselves.

Catholics who repeated such nonsense on this thread should go to confession now.

[Howlin]

It does not appear to be Schindler who made the comment sinkspur referenced

Give it a rest.

It's in the complaint FILED with the court.

And Schindler signed the complaint.

[Howlin]

http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo/Filed_07-19-2004_ReliefFromJudgment.pdf

"...such judgment and order violate the Ward's free exercise of her religious beliefs, her right to enjoy and defend her own life, and, in fact,imperil her immortal soul"

[verity]

"Catholics who repeated such nonsense on this thread should go to confession now."

Are you open for business?