Posted on 03/21/2005 11:54:31 AM PST by BB62
I passed along the affidavit which many of us have seen, presumably by Carla Sauer Iyer. Is it FAKE or real??
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/aff2-terri.pdf
My sister, a notary public (not in FL), came back with the following:
"Please do not believe everything you read. This supposed notarized document is not legal…it is missing the county in which the notary resides, along with her name printed, typed or stamped beneath her signature. In addition, there is no record of a Patricia Anderson with that commission number listed with the state of Florida. In other words, like most of the stuff you get via email, IT IS A HOAX designed to get you to believe something that is completely fabricated. I hope you forward this information to the same people to whom you sent the original email."
Forgive my unsureness with posting. I hope I have put things in the right place in this post.
So... I throw open the subject to those more knowledgeable than I - is it fake? One thing I noticed and questioned, even before receiving my sister's e-mail, was the neither the "did/did not" was circled at the end of the document. I found that very strange.
BB62
For anyone interested, here is the Florida Manual for Notary Publics . Page 9 shows an example of a FL notary seal and gives the 4 elements which must be present.
By this reasoning, the fact that George W. Bush didn't sue Dan Rather indicates that the National Guard documents are genuine after all.
Can't go there with you . . . "Esq." is a ridiculous affectation to which attorneys with little-man syndrome cling. (This includes female attorneys who think they have to act manly to get respect.)
If you are not a shield-bearer and attendant for a knight, you do not sign yourself Esq., because you are not an esquire.
It should go without saying that if you are a woman, you NEVER sign yourself Esq.
As perhaps you can tell, I despise pretentious lawyers; fortunately, the Esq. affectation is more a Northern thing than a Texas thing.
I've been doing depositions for over 20 years; I've NEVER seen it NOT done.
The assumption that lawyers are "sticklers for detail" is incorrect. Lawyers are just as disorganized as doctors, and were it not for their secretaries, they'd never survive. (I'm still trying to figure out how they got through law school. Then I look at where they attended, and it becomes clear.)
You must be on the East Coast or in NYC. Here in Houston, we giggle at lawyers who sign themselves that.
There's no rule that says they have to. Ergo, it's an affectation - harmless and irritating, but an affectation nevertheless.
They don't want anyone to mistake them for lawyers.
Is it conceivable that they get new commission numbers when renewed? There is a record of a Patricia J. Anderson who's commission was issued 12/13/2003, the day after the expiration date on the seal in the alleged affidavit.
3) Why is there no name below Patricia Anderson's signature, as required by Florida statute?
I just checked several notarized documents (notarized in Florida) in my posession which do not show the notary's name below the signature. Just a signature and a seal. I expect the seal, which gives the notary's name, satisfies any statutory requirement.
You also point out that the "Did/Did Not take an oath" is not marked. Notaries, like other mortals, make mistakes. I recently had mortgage documents for a re-fi notarized in several places, and the notary forgot to write the date with one signature he notarized. That seems like an equally fundamental error... and the notary knew better... but it happened.
Good point.
That, plus the fact that a) there are no more jousting knights, so b) there are no more squires, and c) squires likely couldn't read or write anyway, leads me to ban the use of Esq. from my personal fiefdom.
Under the law, Bush as a public figure, could only sue Rather if he could prove that Rather knowingly lied with the intent of causing harm.
Terri's husband is not under that legal criteria. If I were him, I would surely go after anyone accusing me of trying to murder my wife -- if I were innocent.
I'm sure there's plenty of stuff you all laugh at the east coast about, just as we laugh at you all.
LOL!
Who would just leave a "murder weapon" in the trash and NOT ALERT LE?
Nurse Carla is suspect.
there are regional differences. i am in DC, all of our pleadings list our names with an ESQ. it is not personal affectation, it is practice. i have seen opposing counsel use THE HONORABLE before their names, instead of using the ESQ. which strikes me as bizarre, but hey. i don't see any pleadings from Texas in my ofc, so i will take your word for it that they would laugh at our little esq's : )
You earned it; you should use it.
I'm sure they sneer at my VCR, too.
"1. That the alleged "murder weapon" was simply tossed in the trash at the scene of the crime... Nurse Carla is suspect."
Yep, Mikey for sure would have left it laying around. Heck, he probably wrote a comment on Terri's chart too.
But for certain Mikey would not have put it back in his pocket.
And, yep, if I were an employee, I would have gone right to LE - bypassed my supervisors and everything! No thought of employment or legal repercussions for me!
BB62
you know you really should upgrade to a DVD you know ; )
OR....When she sees a crime...she doesn't report it.
Isn't that Obstruction of Justice & aiding & abetting?
Basically, that's what she's admitting to.
I'll stick with my Marantz and stenomask. Let them sneer.
Esq. is a courtesy title. It is not earned. Nothing entitles a lawyer to use it, much like nothing compels a lawyer to use it.
Ergo, affectation.
"The Honorable" in Texas only refers to judges.
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