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To: cyborg
I don't know if I agree with all this advice. If a guy came off like an jerk to me, I'd be really offended.

I don't get that this is what he's advocating. What I get from the article is he's saying that the needy "I worship the ground you walk on -- I can't live without you -- please let me be your doormat and walk all over me" type of "nice guy" is not going to get any respect

What he's actually saying in the article is "Women are NEVER attracted to men that they can walk all over... Women aren't attracted to Wussies!". He's not saying don't be polite -- he's saying have some respect and don't beg

What I've noticed is that women like self-confidence (not to be confused with arrogance), ability (not to be confused with mere wealth), and respect (not to be confused with propitiation)

The attitude he seems to be advocating for guys toward women is "I like you, I think you're great, and I will treat you well. But don't think I won't drop you and find somebody else if you disrespect me. I'm not your puppy"

177 posted on 02/28/2005 5:53:02 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (We are going to fight until hell freezes over and then we are going to fight on the ice)
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To: SauronOfMordor

I just don't get the article and I'm not understanding what you're saying. A man wouldn't have to tell me all that. I would make it clear I respect him but he'll have to respect me too and treat me like a lady. The only times I've seen men be spineless when they're running after a pretty woman.


178 posted on 02/28/2005 6:04:37 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: SauronOfMordor; cyborg

Basically, I think Sauron is trying to say that he believes that men can be 'nice', but not walkovers.

And self-respect, and confidence in a man is attractive.

To be honest, I think Sauron is right in what he is saying. I want to be with a good, decent man. But a man who gave me my own way the whole time, would lose appeal for me, something rapid. Because, like a child, I'd just push those boundaries to see how far I could go.


191 posted on 02/28/2005 7:10:45 PM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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