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[Northern Yankee]

However, it is only through ignorance or pomposity that one can say no evidence exists.

That would explain John Kerry... one spaced out character.

[snarks_when_bored]

One finds this message on the home page of the "National Institute for Discovery Science":

October 15th, 2004

We at the National Institute for Discovery Science have come to a time in which a decision must be made as to the direction of the Institute. We have labored long and hard, coming to the conclusion to place NIDS in an inactive status.

The reasons for this decision are as follows:

1. We have not had the need to do any major investigative work for well over 2 ½ years.
   
2. In view of that fact we decided to reduce our staff.
   
3. Our administrator, Colm Kelleher, has taken a position outside of Nevada to do cancer research. Colm’s ambition has always been to do cancer research and was employed in this field prior to his employment with NIDS. We are sorry to see him leave.

It is unfortunate that there isn’t more activity, as there was in the past, that warrants investigation. However, we will still retain our Secretary/Receptionist who will remain at NIDS to answer your calls. Her name is Mary Allman and can be reached at (702) 798-1700. She will be talking daily to Mr. Bigelow’s assistants Janice and Donna.

Should substantial activity occur with a need for investigation then NIDS will be reactivated with new personnel.

Robert T. Bigelow

Looks like the aliens have decided to take a little down time during the early years of the new millenium. So maybe this guy, Alexander, is just trying to gin up a little interest while the aliens are surfing on Titan.

[FormerACLUmember]

The Fermi paradox is a paradox proposed by physicist Enrico Fermi that questions the possibilities of finding intelligent extraterrestrial life. More specifically, it deals with the attempts to answer one of the most profound questions of all time: "Are we (the earthlings) the only technologically advanced civilization in the Universe?". The Drake equation for estimating the number of extraterrestrial civilizations with which we might come in contact seems to imply that we should not expect such contact to be extremely rare. Fermi's response to this conclusion was that if there were very many advanced extraterrestrial civilizations in our galaxy, then, "Where are they? Why haven't we seen any traces of intelligent extraterrestrial life e.g. probes, spacecraft or transmissions?". Those that adhere to the premise behind the Fermi paradox often refer to that premise as the Fermi principle.

The paradox can be summed up as follows: The commonly held belief that the universe has many technologically advanced civilizations combined with our observations that suggest otherwise, is paradoxical, suggesting that either our understanding or our observations are flawed or incomplete.

[austinmark]

..."However, it is only through ignorance or pomposity that one can say no evidence exists."

It is Arrogance that refuses to accept that no Real or Hard Data exists.

[SunkenCiv]

bttt

[SunkenCiv]

ET Visitors: Scientists See High Likelihood
by Leonard David
14 January 2005

Deardorff, the lead author of the JBIS article, points out in a press statement: "It would take some humility for the scientific community to suspend its judgment and take at least some of the high quality reports seriously enough to investigate…but I hope we can bring ourselves to do that."

According to Haisch, there is a motivation not just for scientific tolerance of the UFO issue, but a strong scientific prediction that there ought to be some genuine ET signature in the data.

"This potentially changes the relationship of the UFO phenomenon to science in a significant way. It takes away the ‘not invented here’ prejudice, pointing out that a ‘yes’ to ET visitation is exactly what side our current physics and astrophysics theories would come down on as the most likely situation," Haisch concluded.

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[SunkenCiv]

Ping!

[SunkenCiv]

The Black Knight from Space
The Excluded Middle Magazine ^ | 2000 | John Carter
Posted on 09/08/2004 10:22:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1210200/posts

India May Be First To Tell The World About ET Contact
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-06a-05.asp ^ | 1/6/05
Posted on 01/06/2005 10:50:20 PM PST by Lori675
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1315810/posts

Triangular UFOs Spotted?
Yahoo News, Space.com ^ | 09/02/2004 | Leonard David
Posted on 09/06/2004 2:37:15 AM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1208357/posts

UFO Expert: Aliens May Be Preparing Us For Ultimate Encounter
KBCI TV News ^ | November 15, 2004 | Scott Logan
Posted on 11/18/2004 8:42:47 AM PST by demlosers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1283007/posts

UFOs, implants and aliens
The London Free Press ^ | Friday, May 14, 2004 | Ian Gillespie
Posted on 05/15/2004 3:59:05 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1136070/posts

When UFOs Arrive
www.popularmechanics.com ^ | February 2004 | BY JIM WILSON
Posted on 02/11/2004 9:41:52 AM PST by Momaw Nadon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1076037/posts

[SunkenCiv]

ET Visitors: Scientists See High Likelihood
Space.com ^
Posted on 01/14/2005 5:12:59 PM PST by FreedomNeocon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1321145/posts

[SunkenCiv]

bttt

[SunkenCiv]

thanks for the ping to the following, Swordmaker:

The UFO Phenomenon - Seeing is Believing
ABC News ^ | February 4, 2005 - airtime Feb 24, 2005 | ABC News
Posted on 02/18/2005 12:51:33 AM PST by Swordmaker
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1345847/posts

[SunkenCiv]

1200 foot cigar-shaped UFO:

US Navy to order unique aircraft in Saratov, Russia (UFO-shaped)
Russia Journal Daily ^ | April 23, 2004
Posted on 04/23/2004 5:39:17 PM PDT by Shermy
61 posted on 04/24/2004 9:15:30 PM PDT by Solamente
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1123484/posts?page=61#61

[Quix]

THANKS. Interesting article.

UFO PING LIST PING

PLEASE LET Las Vegas Dave and I know if you want on or off the UFO ping list.

[Quix]

Is there a copyright problem with posting the whole article?

[denydenydeny]

This is the best article I've ever seen on the subject of the uniqueness of Earth and our civilization.

[KevinDavis]

To say that we are the only intelligent lifeforms in this universe is wrong.. The universe has billions upon billions of stars and yet we are alone??? Go figure..

[LibWhacker]

The error is the a priori assumption that UFOs cannot exist therefore . . .

That's a silly claim! Fermi's paradox makes NO SUCH assumption.

If someone tells you that the earth is inhabited by dragons and you ask where they are, you haven't made an assumption that they do not exist. You're simply acknowledging that if dragons inhabit the earth, we ought to see evidence for them, and that the burden of proof is in on the guy who says otherwise.

[SunkenCiv]

Possible solutions to Fermi's Paradox fall in the following categories:

• They Are Here
  • They Were Here and They Left Evidence
    • UFO's, Ancient Astronauts, Alien Artifacts: all fall under the heading of proposals that aliens are here now (and they call themselves Republicans) or have been here in the recent past. Problem: evidence for aliens is non-existent.
  • They Are Us
    • Humans are the descendents of ancient alien civilizations. Problem: where are the original aliens? Where are all the other alien civilizations
  • Zoo/Interdict Scenario
    • The aliens are here, and they are keeping us in a well designed zoo (cut off from all contact) or there is an interdiction treaty to prevent contact with young races (us). Problem: scenario lacks the ability to be tested. Takes only one ET to break embargo.

• They Exist But Have Not Yet Communicated
  • They Have Not Had Time To Reach Us
    • Speed of light slows communication levels, relativity makes space travel long. ET's message may not have reached us yet. Problem: Galaxy has been around for billions of years, even if one ET civilization formed a few million years before us, the Galaxy would be filled with Bracewell-von Neumann probes.
  • They Are Signaling, But We Do Not Know How To Listen
    • EM radiation, gravity waves, exotic particles are all examples of methods to signal. Problem: they may use methods we have not learned yet, but if there are many civilizations someone would use EM methods.
  • Berserkers
    • The Galaxy is filled with killer robots looking for signals. ET is keeping low. Problem: where are the berserkers coming after us?
  • They Have No Desire To Communicate
    • ET has no interest in conversing with lesser beings. Problem: with millions of possible civilizations, someone would have some curiosity.
  • They Develop Different Mathematics
    • Mathematics is the universal language. But humankind may have a unique system of mathematics that ET cannot understand. Problem: then where are their incomprehensible signals?
  • Catastrophes
    • Civilizations only have a limited lifetime, They are all dead.
      • Overpopulation
      • Nanobots -> Gray Goo Problem
      • Dangerous Particle Physics

• They Do Not Exist
  • We are the First, Life is New to the Galaxy
    • Life is new to the Galaxy, evolution takes time, we are the first civilization. Problem: Sun is average star, if other stars formed a million years ahead of us, then They would be a million years ahead of us in technology.
    

  • Planets With the Right Conditions are Rare
    • Planetary systems are rare
    • Habitable zones, proper distance from star for liquid water, are narrow
    • Galaxy is a dangerous place (gamma-ray bursters, asteroid impacts, etc)
    • Earth/Moon system is unique (large tides needed for molecular evolution)
  • Life Is Rare
    • Life's Genesis is rare
    • Intelligence/Tool-Making is rare
    • Language is unique to humans
    • Technology/Science is not inevitable

[Tribune7]

A good rule of thumb is: Jimmy Carter is always wrong.

Carter believes in UFOs.

[SunkenCiv]

Search For ET To Look Again At 150 Signals
Science Daily | 3-14(15)-03 | Editorial Staff
Posted on 03/14/2003 6:07:27 AM PST by vannrox
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/864643/posts

Home PCS may prove point for Einstein
Columbus Dispatch | Feb 22, 2005 | Mike Laffcerty
Posted on 02/23/2005 6:31:04 PM PST by tang-soo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1349817/posts

Noah Johnson: Folding Proteins at Home
Apple Computer | 3/30/2004 | By Barbara Gibson
Posted on 03/30/2004 2:11:05 AM PST by Swordmaker
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1107763/posts