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Concert biz still ill with summer flu
Wall Street Journal via FortWayne.com ^ | Posted on Sun, Nov. 21, 2004 | By Ethan Smith

Posted on 12/07/2004 6:07:57 PM PST by weegee

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1 posted on 12/07/2004 6:07:57 PM PST by weegee
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To: 537cant be wrong; Aeronaut; bassmaner; chilepepper; Cutterjohnmhb; Churchjack; Conservative Lion; ..

Rock and Roll PING! email Weegee to get on/off this list (or grab it yourself to PING the rest)

2 posted on 12/07/2004 6:08:40 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: weegee

the concerts i went too (all at harpos and were death metal) were packed houses


3 posted on 12/07/2004 6:10:03 PM PST by MetalHeadConservative35 (Ted Nugent for Michigan Governor In 2006)
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Entertainers are just going to have to accept a pay cut.

Or else the entertainment industry is going to have to uncover/market the NEXT big box office entertainers.

Things are certainly stagnant.


4 posted on 12/07/2004 6:10:07 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: weegee
Norah Jones’ ticket sales were so poor in some markets

Maybe it's cuz her voice is nauseating.
5 posted on 12/07/2004 6:12:10 PM PST by uncitizen
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To: MetalHeadConservative35

This year the only reserved seating shows I went to were Brian Wilson and Paul Anka, Glenn Campbell, and Monica Mancini (all 3 of these shows with my parents at an old opera house in Galveston).

Everything else I went to was at small clubs (I think that the Brian Wilson show may have been the only Clear Channel show I went to of ANY size).

I went to a 3 day festival in Las Vegas (small promoter) at a hotel/casino and the SXSW festival.

I see a lot of music. I just don't pay a lot for it.

I will admit to having paid around $100 for Rolling Stones tickets in the past but I didn't even go to the most recent tour (at the Reliant Stadium). I hear the sound was awful in there.

At a club I can get right up to the stage. I see quite a few road acts and probably see live music on average 2 nights a week.

I listen to new rock and roll but have no false hopes that what I listen to will ever get on commercial radio.

Here in Houston, we are now down to ONE station that plays SOME new rock releases (and a lot of 10+ year old songs). And they have the nerve to call the rock they play "alternative"? If it is on the charts, it is ESTABLISHMENT music (especially when the bands get Grammy nods and have been on the charts 5-10 years). Alternative to what? Oh yeah, GOOD music.


6 posted on 12/07/2004 6:19:23 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: weegee

music biz gets it. How about professional sports?


7 posted on 12/07/2004 6:19:58 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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BTW, all 3 shows I saw in Galveston were sell outs.

Brian Wilson was not.


8 posted on 12/07/2004 6:20:02 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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I listen to new rock and roll but have no false hopes that what I listen to will ever get on commercial radio

Same here im a big scandinavian metal fan

thats gotta be some of the best stuff out right now

9 posted on 12/07/2004 6:23:04 PM PST by MetalHeadConservative35 (Ted Nugent for Michigan Governor In 2006)
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To: uncitizen

I thought that the first album was alright. I heard it on the radio a year before it "took off because of the Grammy wins". I heard it on one of the two stations that broke her on commercial radio.

Fair. I gave the album (new) as a gift to my mom for birthday I believe.

I never put the album on. If the music industry were raising up other talented singers, she may have just been a blip. In the absence of such singers, she "went to the top".

The material on her followup album did nothing for me.

Perhaps it was the "packaging" that the industry tried to do to make her more like other "big singers" today.

Can this kind of music be played in a large venue? I don't know. I know that my parents saw Frank Sinatra where the Houston Rockets used to play. Must have been a horrible atmosphere and bad accoustics.

I know that some great rock and roll bands would have a hard time projecting the energy that they have on the stage to a large crowd (especially when they are dwarfed by a large stage).

On the radio, all bands are equal though (no theatrics are necessary).


10 posted on 12/07/2004 6:28:32 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: MetalHeadConservative35

I saw bands like the Hellacopters years ago. They went to the top of the charts over there.

Here we get The Darkness on radio. Pfft.


11 posted on 12/07/2004 6:30:07 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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the darkness sucks so bad there not even there band..there a really bad joke..one that was probably aimed at us musicians..after all TRL tells us what to listen to (barf)


12 posted on 12/07/2004 6:34:25 PM PST by MetalHeadConservative35 (Ted Nugent for Michigan Governor In 2006)
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To: weegee
I mostly go to clubs, small venue, cheap tix, underground bands, close to stage, works for me. My brother did get us front row for Alice Cooper ($40), about 3,000 seats and sold out. I don't go to "big name" concerts because of the price and most of them aren't worth paying that much for.
13 posted on 12/07/2004 6:56:44 PM PST by reaganaut (Red state girl in a Blue state world (Socialist Republic of California))
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The only band I'd pay more than $12 to hear live is Crooked Fingers. And they're coming to L.A. in February. YES!


14 posted on 12/07/2004 7:12:54 PM PST by wizardoz
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no way can i pay the prices groups are asking for. plus i really dont enjoy the huge crowds at some of the old shows.
we have a small club here in st. louis called generations.
has caberet seating and holds maybe 150-200 people.
they have some unbelievable acts come in there.
the last concert i saw there was savoy brown. table next to stage 12 feet from kim simmonds. wow. $15 IIRC
before that it was johnny winter at mississippi nights.
holds about 500 or so (just a guess) probably cost about
20-25 bucks. now thats acceptable. left me enough cash for a CD and T-Shirt with my own flask, it was a good night.


15 posted on 12/07/2004 7:18:15 PM PST by 537cant be wrong (no kittie! thats my pot pie!)
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Tickets for Madonna and Simon & Garfunkel costing $350.......

When I saw Simon and Garfinkle the tickets were $2.50. The Lovin' Spoonful opened for them.

We refused to see the Beatles because the tickets were $8.80 and NO group was worth that much.

16 posted on 12/07/2004 7:20:34 PM PST by BRO68
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I beg to differ. James Brown is worth at LEAST $8.80.

I don't know about many other artists reaching that level of value though.


17 posted on 12/07/2004 7:25:17 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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I only go to local clubs at $8-10 cover charge and enjoy live music from a stuggling artist rather than these mega-stars.

The last big thing I went to was THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA at the Majestic Theatre on Broadway in NYC ($100 seats).

18 posted on 12/07/2004 7:34:13 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Old classics are great but the industry has done a lousy job of nurturing new talent.

The industry shunned The Ramones until the singer was already dead and in the following 2 years, 2 more members passed away.

We are only around 5-10 years away from ALL of these performers being out of circulation (dead, retired, unable to perform...).

Rock isn't dead but the industry side of it is on the way out. We don't want $20 CDs and we don't want $80-120 concert tickets ($35 for a blanket on a hillside).

Sure people will shell out some cash for "one last chance to see..." but those artists WON'T always be around.

The music world has successfully been balkanized. Who gets exposed to new artists through radio anymore?

19 posted on 12/07/2004 7:34:20 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: weegee
It's hard to feel sorry for the music biz when so many worthy performers are ignored. I love going to concerts, but most of the bands I like are so unknown by the masses that their tickets usually cost around $15-$20.

This was a good year for concerts for me: Lambchop, Danny Barnes, Josh Rouse, Buddy Miller, among others.

20 posted on 12/08/2004 9:57:58 AM PST by GSWarrior
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