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A plea: Avoid full screen DVDs
Alameda Times-Star ^ | 12/6

Posted on 12/06/2004 11:15:57 AM PST by ambrose

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To: ambrose

One more reason to consider "full screen" vs. widescreen. Travel. When you are looking at a handheld DVD player or even one in the backseat of a car (or airplane headrest), it gives the "maximum" size image.

There is no widescreen standard. That 16x9 ratio will still result in black stripes on the top/bottom or left/right side of the screen at times. Some will have their aspect ratios "fudged" to appear to not need letterboxing.


81 posted on 12/06/2004 12:13:00 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: marajade
Check this out:

Pioneer pitches LD as "60% sharper" than VHS. LD image quality is roughly comparable to standard 16mm film, VHS is roughly comparable to 8mm film. There are no home video formats comparable to 35mm or 70mm film. The pulse-FM data structure on an LD (unlike ordinary VHS/Beta), is defined to hold all the information present in the composite video signal. Depending on source material and the transfer to disc, LD is above live TV broadcast quality: For NTSC, this is 425 TVL (luminance lines horizontally for 3/4 of the screen width) and about 482 scan lines, compared to 330x482 for broadcast. For PAL, the numbers are 450x560 and 400x560, respectively. Compare this to 240x482 for good VHS (recorded, pre-recorded is probably less). Only recently have Super-VHS approached LD capability, and ED-Beta has gone even further with its resolution of 525x482. Of course, pre-recorded material is not widely available in these VCR formats. Even using S-VHS/ED-Beta to tape off-air still only reaches the 330x482 of the broadcast signal (400x560 in PAL countries).

Also:

NTSC discs: * 2 analog channels (last discs like this were made in the 80's) * 2 analog channels + 2 uncompressed digital channels * 1 analog channel + 2 uncompressed digital channels + 5.1 Dolby Digital channels * 2 analog channels + 5.1 DTS channels PAL discs: * 2 analog channels (last discs like this were made in the 80's) * 2 uncompressed digital channels

Complete FAQ here

82 posted on 12/06/2004 12:13:37 PM PST by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: weegee

Yeah. The fast forward on LD's was much, much better than dvd. And the CLV discs (the ones that were only 1/2 hour per side) had remarkable abilities. I had a disk with something like 50,000 pictures of airplanes. Again, pre-divorce. Never did see them all...

Still, DVD is, much better for lots of practical reasons, not the least of which is size and portability.


83 posted on 12/06/2004 12:14:46 PM PST by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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To: Borges
No one would want a novel with a bunch of sentences cut out

Reader's Digest subsribers would beg to differ.

84 posted on 12/06/2004 12:16:07 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: BrooklynGOP

Thanks... but what sold me on the LD format was that it offered letterboxing and digital sound.


85 posted on 12/06/2004 12:16:56 PM PST by marajade
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To: RobRoy

And you can now watch an entire movie on DVD without going from side a to side b.


86 posted on 12/06/2004 12:18:04 PM PST by marajade
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To: marajade

I had some LD's left after the divorce in 1997 and the used record store that sold them then was taking no new movies. None.

It has been in decline for quite a while. It is good as an odity, and nothing more. A few purists will pay big bucks for an original, but Laser Rot will probably take it's toll in the long run.

These things aren't 78's...


87 posted on 12/06/2004 12:18:24 PM PST by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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To: RobRoy

You haven't been to ebay lately have you?


88 posted on 12/06/2004 12:19:23 PM PST by marajade
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To: weegee

Reader's Digest is the 'pan and scan' of the literary world. :-) Somewhere Dr. Bowdler is smiling.


89 posted on 12/06/2004 12:20:04 PM PST by Borges
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To: marajade

Zoom doesn't seem to work quite that way as even the letterboxing will remain (albeit in something that does not look to be the right ratio).

Zoom should only be used to look at details in a scene (and only if a DVD has adequate compression).


90 posted on 12/06/2004 12:20:27 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: marajade

Heh, heh. For me that is a BIGGIE.

I was a big proponent of Laser in the mid-to-late seventies. Seattle was a test market for the original Magnavox machine, and I was the only one in the stereo stores I worked in that sold any quantity. And I myself owned one the minute I had the cash at salesman discount.

But I am pragmatic about it. It's time came and went. There is little it has to offer over DVD. When the DVD was even talked about, I KNEW that laser was dead, dead, dead.

Anybody ever see the movie where pirates find booty and it contains a bunch of laserdisks and one of the pirates says something along the lines of "What good are these? You can't record on them."

That is what we usually got from customers back then. I would then ask them if they had a record player. 8^>


91 posted on 12/06/2004 12:22:40 PM PST by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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To: weegee

Not every movie collectors want are even available in LD. There have been many recent movies, i.e., LOTR trilogy that isn't offered on LD.

That's why I enjoy both formats. Heck, I even own DVHS that offers both video and sound in the best quality offered for home video today.


92 posted on 12/06/2004 12:22:53 PM PST by marajade
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To: Borges

Lawrence of Arabia was not meant for television screens.

Some films I will only watch on a movie screen (even though it may be years between screenings).

Blade Runner is among those.

Some need the "size" to work properly. I found suprisingly that even the end sequence to Blake Edwards/Peter Sellers' The Party needs a big screen.

Perhaps home projection will work on some of them. I'll need to bring some to a friend's a try it out.


93 posted on 12/06/2004 12:23:29 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: marajade

Collectors don't count...


94 posted on 12/06/2004 12:24:28 PM PST by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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To: Borges

I think that Fantasia also got cropped in one of the rereleaes.


95 posted on 12/06/2004 12:25:29 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: RobRoy

"There is little it has to offer over DVD."

You underestimate the masses out there who are purists who want titles like the OT of SW or Hamlet. Those are the collectors who are still investing in the format.


96 posted on 12/06/2004 12:26:21 PM PST by marajade
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Not to open any new can of worms here, but I used to sell RCA "needle in a groove" video disks.

Any comments... 8^>


97 posted on 12/06/2004 12:26:39 PM PST by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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To: weegee

"Some films I will only watch on a movie screen (even though it may be years between screenings)."

You must be left wanting for a long time...


98 posted on 12/06/2004 12:28:27 PM PST by marajade
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To: ambrose
This is pet peeve of mine - a MAJOR pet peeve. It drives me absolutely nuts that there are people out there who insist on purchasing only 1/2 to 2/3rds of a movie. In the days of VHS it was virtually impossible to find a wide screen movie - all they had was chopped screen crap. DVD came about and nearly every movie was wide screen. Now, over the last year or so, chopped screen (called "full screen" by idiots) movies have proliferated. And, now, many times the chopped screen idiot versions are the only ones available for rental or purchase because the wide screen ones get bought out first. Too many times I've been given a gift of a DVD by someone and they didn't know the difference and got me the chopped screen version. Sometimes you really have to search the box or the disk itself to see whether it is wide screen or chopped screen.

And there there are the people who just don't understand the difference. "I hate the black bars - why do they put them there?" Grrrrrr.... You'd think now that widescreen TVs and computer monitors are popping up all over the chopped screen crap would actually be disappearing not proliferating.

99 posted on 12/06/2004 12:28:56 PM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: RobRoy

"Collectors don't count..."

They're the ones with $$$ in their pockets to burn...


100 posted on 12/06/2004 12:29:10 PM PST by marajade
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