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Barry Bonds: Before & After Photos

Posted on 12/04/2004 8:24:41 AM PST by TRY ONE

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To: Jokelahoma
before there's any "asterisk" controversy when he passes Ruth and Aaron.

amen...one of a plethora of reasons I watch very little sport anymore.....fakirs, thugs, no humility,. screw it.

61 posted on 12/04/2004 9:37:34 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: GarySpFc
But steroids are not going to help his eye and bat coordination.

BUt them 385 ft fly outs are now 410 ft homers
62 posted on 12/04/2004 9:38:43 AM PST by uncbob
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To: raptor29
Virtually EVERY NFL guy is on the stuff. The biggest joke in this whole thing is the NFL coming out with their 'holier than thou' proclamations about their steroid testing. Every year they pick one insignificant player to be the sacrificial lamb for p.r. purposes and they suspend this guy to show how tough they are on steroid enforcement. The whole league collapses and they start over if steroids are ever dissallowed in the NFL. Baseball has a problem with 'roids, no doubt about it. But the NFL is a complete joke and completely phony on this subject.

Double amen to that, raptor29. ESPN was talking about the "effective" steroid policy that was implemented years ago by the NFL. Who do these jokers think they're kidding?
63 posted on 12/04/2004 9:38:52 AM PST by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours! (I told you so :-))
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To: GarySpFc
the man is a great hitter, and I am not willing to take that away from him.

Nor I. Unfortunately, he took it away from himself. Now all his prowess and accomplishments will be forever tainted. As I said, if he had never gone dirty, Bonds would have ended up in the HOF anyway, ranked as perhaps one of the 12 best outfielders of all time. He would be lauded as a great all-around player. Now he will be more known for having a huge question mark by his name.

64 posted on 12/04/2004 9:39:16 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Junk Bonds.)
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To: TRY ONE

65 posted on 12/04/2004 9:41:05 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Junk Bonds.)
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To: uncbob

Not only that but it is easier to take a fast ball in the body with all that extra muscle and body armor he wears so he can hang out over the plate and take the inside of the plate away from the pitcher


66 posted on 12/04/2004 9:42:13 AM PST by uncbob
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To: GarySpFc

Tony Gwynn and Wade Boggs were great hitters, too. Would you have respect for them if they had juiced up and become prodigious home run hitters in their late 30's?
It's admirable to make the sacrifices entailed in training, working hard, taking care of yourself, and watching your diet. When you start to take drugs to alter your performance, giving you an unfair advantage, that's when you cross the line. Maybe Barry Bonds is a freak of nature, and just got stronger as he got older. Given the BALCO connection, I think the burden of proof has shifted to Barry to prove that he's clean.


67 posted on 12/04/2004 9:43:10 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("If you accumulate enough layers of superficiality, that's pretty much the same as having depth")
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To: TRY ONE

On the plus side- Barry doesn't need to wear a jockstrap anymore.


68 posted on 12/04/2004 9:44:20 AM PST by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: uncbob
Oh yeah compare Platz and Draper and even Lee Haney to the MR OLympia winners the past 10 years

You may have a point. I haven't followed the sport since Haney's time, so I'm not familiar with the new guys.
69 posted on 12/04/2004 9:45:14 AM PST by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours! (I told you so :-))
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To: wardaddy

" amen...one of a plethora of reasons I watch very little sport anymore.....fakirs, thugs, no humility,. screw it."

One of the big reasons that my favorite league is the NHL (IF they ever have the NHL again). You can't play hockey at that level with a "me-first" outlook. Plus, if you DID pull any of the chest-thumping, sack-dancing, cellphone-in-the-goalpost crap, soembody would cave your head in on the next shift.


70 posted on 12/04/2004 9:47:30 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("If you accumulate enough layers of superficiality, that's pretty much the same as having depth")
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To: TRY ONE
Now note one other thing on these before-and-afters:

The body armor on his right arm. This enables Bonds to literally "pad" his statistics. He can hang over the plate without fear, giving him another unfair advantage.

I think he started wearing that before there was a rule against it, and they "grandfathered" him in. Does anyone know the details on that?

71 posted on 12/04/2004 9:48:13 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Junk Bonds.)
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To: babygene
First of all, you have to realize that professional sports is just "show biz", nothing more...

Its pretty obvious that you've never played competitive sports. While "show biz" is part of the game, there is a certain talent required as well. Have you ever even tried to hit a 90 mph fastball?

Olympic athletes are so highly engineered that it also has little to do with natural ability.

Just because you don't qualify to compete doesn't mean you should insult those that do.

Your argument is bogus.

You haven't a clue as to what you're talking about.

72 posted on 12/04/2004 9:49:25 AM PST by meyer (Our greatest opponent is a candidate called Complacency.)
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To: uncbob

See my post #71, which I was writing as you were posting.


73 posted on 12/04/2004 9:49:31 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Junk Bonds.)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
"that means business is "just showbiz", and that success in the marketplace is actually fixed."

You seem confused. Just because it's "showbiz" doesn't imply that the outcome is fixed, any more than it does on "Hollywood Squares". Make no mistake about it. Professional baseball (or what ever sport) is entertainment first and foremost.

You delude yourself to think otherwise.
74 posted on 12/04/2004 9:51:29 AM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: Charles Henrickson
ESPN has a chronology of Bonds photos here.
75 posted on 12/04/2004 9:52:41 AM PST by TexasNative2000 (When it's all said and done, someone starts another conversation.......)
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To: raptor29

FloJo had a dangerous heart arrythmia but an autopsy claims she died of a seizure due to brain lesion.


Walter Peyton (who was a wonderful gentleman the likes of which are very rare in pro sports today) died of bile duct cancer. Just badassed luck. No one has ever suspected sinister reasons for his death that I've heard of.

Mourning has kidney disease.

of course high dose roids can lead to health problems over time but i've seen no claims it killed these folks.

some folks just have bad luck early....i'm one of them.


76 posted on 12/04/2004 9:53:47 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

"checks" and balances!


77 posted on 12/04/2004 9:56:35 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: fat city

lite on the tadpoles too.

azoospermia they call it....it comes in handy for those nasty paternity suits.


78 posted on 12/04/2004 9:58:45 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: babygene

One of us is confused, but I don't think it's me. Let's see if I can help. Professional sports are entertaining principally due to the high level of competition involved. Yes, there are other aspects that contribute to the entertainment value, such as cheerleaders, comfortable venues, player personalities, and so forth. But, without the core of high-level, fair competition, there is no basis for any of the peripherals. Just ask the XFL guys.

That is why there is so much concern over performance-enhancing drugs, and why there was so much concern over gambling with the Black sox through to Pete Rose. If people can't trust the integrity of the game, they won't come out.

You delude yourself to think otherwise.


79 posted on 12/04/2004 9:59:17 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("If you accumulate enough layers of superficiality, that's pretty much the same as having depth")
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To: meyer

"While "show biz" is part of the game, there is a certain talent required as well. Have you ever even tried to hit a 90 mph fastball?"

Of course there is tallent required. There is a certain "talent required" for all showbiz, be it a movie star or a news anchor. Doesn't change anything...




80 posted on 12/04/2004 10:01:14 AM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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