Posted on 11/18/2004 8:42:47 AM PST by demlosers
BOISE - UFOs are showing a keen interest in our nuclear weapons facilities, says investigator Robert Hastings, who has spent countless hours analyzing documents dealing with UFO sightings at nuclear missile launch sites and research labs in the United States over the past several decades.
"You have reference to these objects hovering, racing away at blinding speed," he told Idaho 2 News. "There is no evidence we have an aircraft that can do that or anyone else on earth."
Hastings, who has devoted countless hours researching UFOs and the U.S. government's reaction to them, was in Boise for a lecture and slide show Monday at Boise State University.
Hastings believes we are being visited by aliens who have mastered a faster than light form of space flight. And he speculates they have not openly revealed themselves to avoid public panic.
"What they're doing is engaging in a decades long psychological preparation process whereby slowly but surely people on earth understand this is real, they're here," he said.
Hastings believes three UFOs with aliens on board did crash at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947 and points to a 1950 memo to FBI Director J Edgar Hoover saying three so-called flying saucers had been recovered "each one occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 feet tall "
And he says the spectacular UFO sighting earlier this year off the Yucatan Peninsula were the real deal. But Hastings is not a believer in the theory aliens and earthlings are working together at Area 51, the top secret base in the Nevada desert, as some suggest.
In the end, Hastings says what's missing -- so far -- is physical evidence, but he says the story is far from over.
That fits my model. The foam where matter in this time/space evaporates, re-assembles beyond/under the quantum where time doesn't exist (as there is no energy in motion there because you are everywhere all at once), select a re-entry point into the quantum and evaporate back into the quantum at a different time/space coordinate.
When outside of the quantum, you can see the past as well as the probable future. The quantum itself is another word for the 'present,' where the probable future continually materializes on the projector screen of space.
Zero point is the lens through which 'events' are projected. The 'film' itself is a record of that which has already occurred, so what we are experiencing with our physical senses are the phenomena, the manifestation of those projected images and sounds which have already occurred. In a sense, we are living in the past, if that makes any sense.
Gee, what's the saying....What's that your smoking?? Are you into New Age Religion, too???
Not at all into smoking anything.
Most of the puzzle pieces I put on a shelf and wait to see what are confirmed.
I put more stock in things from multiple, disconnected sources.
And, with a close relative working around such things . . .
Of course, your convictions are no doubt strongly held.
I'd get a firmer grip on them, if I were you. They are due for some major alterations sooner than probably either one of us suspect.
Wellllllll, to this layman, it makes probably as much sense as a lot of modern life!
Some people also believe that we are in the End Times. Many people have bizarre beliefs about what is to occur. I've heard an interesting theory that the Antichrist will have to explain to all people remaining on Earth after the rapture what happened to everyone. That explanation will be that aliens took them. Aliens however will actually be demons, but the remaining people on Earth will be fearful as they realize the Bible is truth so they gladly take a ride from an alien. To their detriment. So, I have mixed feelings about aliens.
I don't have any real doubt that the better known aliens are at least in cahoots with satan.
I don't know about the assertion that the greys are bio-engineered robots encasing demons. Plausible, I suppose.
But, as with most of this stuff, it's extremely hard to sort out the disinformation from the flakey from the facts.
The difficulty, next to visualizing a model, is choosing words that describe the model. Hence, the camera analogy for describing the lens through which latent energy becomes energy in motion, the results of which produce the time/space continuum, the three-directional, linear environment where we eat, sleep, and listen to the clock tick.
I think you did a masterful job.
Alas, our perceptions, vocabulary and conceptual skills are rather intensely and closely married to
the dimensions etc. which we are familiar with and beyond which we have no tangible experience and scant capacity to construe even in gifted imaginations.
It's addictive. The problem is that you end up seeing the whole picture but have trouble paying attention to details. I think that's why I can't balance my checkbook. :)
I am familiar with the whole vs detail problem!
And too often the other uhhh daily life challenge.
Can't find it easily. Was reading a familiar Scripture recently when I realized that the most logical meaning strongly, at least implied, ET's. Wish I could find it. I was a bit startled but felt the meaning was a bit obvious when one considered the possible alternative meanings of the Scripture.
I don't neccesarily subscribe to any particular explanation concerning the possibility of aliens, but in general, I think there are enough strange happenings to at least study it. Moreso for me, for I've had several strange experiences myself. No, I wasn't abducted, but got shook to the core once when I sighted of an armada of merkabas. They were 'friendlies,' but didn't know that until they passed over. Geez, I hope nobody else is reading this. I'm not a UFO person and passed through my kooky state decades ago. Honest! :>
However . . . , a few years ago I was studying the artifacts on Mars and with a little creative photo shop, came up with something that is worth looking at. The face on Mars has been the topic of much research and discussion on all the old UFO and related publications, but it took a real stretch of the imagination to decide what the face originally looked like, or if it was, in fact, a face at all.
So I turned the picture upside down, cut it in half and mirror-imaged one side and pasted it together right down the centerline and came up with a startling likeness of a 'grey' with a little smudge work to removed the center line. Check this:
A calling card?
Fascinating exercise. Beyond that . . . hard to conjecture!
Thanks.
Glad to see you are back. I have another UFO story from my local paper that I am going to post. It seems that there is a UFO hot spot in Chicago's South Suburbs. It is the same place I saw a UFO 10 years ago and now there have been multiple sightings over the same location since the summer. I am glad the local press is giving it coverage.
THANKS. THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I have some Taipei friends living in, I think, a Southern Chicago suburb that must be somewhat elite. They are flaming liberals. Don't tolerate much from me email wise politically.
Sort of tolerate UFO stuff! LOL.
Will see what they say about your info when you post it.
Blessings,
THANKS MUCH.
Whenever workable for your participation--would be great. Have added you to the ping list.
LV DAVE has the backup list, hushpad.
There can be some rabid naysayers. In recent months they seem to have been less shrill and less hostile.
Anyway--there are a number of FREEPERS who have had sightings and some even who've worked around the technologies. Of course, they have to be super circumspect.
Blessings,
There can be some rabid naysayers<<<
I think Hollywood's presentations of alien life has certainly helped the naysayer crowd (It certainly did with me).
There has not been enough intelligent dialoug on the possibility of "alien" life-forms, it is all special-effects and money-making stories.
Thanks for adding me to your ping list; I may have something worthy to contribute.
You've already contributed wisdom and encouragement, to me.
Thanks much.
I agree with your points, BTW.
The following is from:
http://www.parascope.com/nb/uforoundup/uforoundup00.htm#pacific
Mysterious Engine Failure Doomed Egyptair 990
Recovery of the cockpit voice recorder from jetliner EgyptAir 990, which plunged into the Atlantic Ocean during the early morning hours of Sunday, October 31, 1999, has allowed the investigators to piece together the doomed aircraft's final flight.
Both of the Boeing 767's jet turbofan engines shut down during the final minutes before impact. And the plane's flight recorders and altitude- reporting trnsponder also stopped working.
The Boeing 767 "delivered new to Egypt in 1989, was powered by two Pratt & Whitney engines. It had proven reliable and efficient; it had logged 33,219 hours of flight time, almost as many hours as the combined tally of its experienced command crew of four captains and first officers."
"Flight 990's pilot, Ahmed Mahoud Mohammed Habashy, was one of the airline's most senior and respected fliers, a veteran of 35 years in the skies."
The co-pilot was Gameel Batouti, 59, "a former Egyptian Air Force pilot who faced mandatory retirement in March" of 2000.
Flight 990 took off at 1:19 a.m. on October 31. "Takeoff and ascent were normal. Flight 990 began climbing to the southeast. At about 120 miles out, it was vectored to the northeast and settled in for the long overwater flight (from New York City to Cairo) at 33,000 feet (10,000 meters).
"At 1:43 a.m., a routine radio transmission was made to air traffic control."
"Early in the flight, according to sources familiar with the investigation, Batouti, the relief co-pilot, entered the cockpit and asked to fly, even though he wasn't scheduled to take over until far later in the trip. Batouti was given the co-pilot's chair."
"Half an hour into the flight, with the plane at cruising altitude, Capt. Habashy got up, exchanged a few words with the co-pilot and left the cockpit, perhaps to use the bathroom, perhaps to get some coffee."
"Sometime in the next five minutes, the co-pilot, believed to be Batouti, recited a fragment of a Muslim prayer, "Tawakilt ala Allah." (Or, to give the Arabic a free translation, "I put myself in the hands of God."--J.T.)
"At 1:49 a.m. and 45 seconds, investigators now believe, the co-pilot clicked twice on the red button on his control column, switching off the autopilot."
"Eight seconds later, the co-pilot pushed his control column forward, tilting the plane over into a dive. The plane's tail raised up; the nose pointed down. The dive was so steep that 14 seconds later Flight 990 reached a zero-gravity state, meaning its passengers felt weightless--a condition that lasted about 20 seconds."
"At almost the same time, Flight 990 surpassed its maximum allowed speed and plummeted at up to 94 percent the speed of sound (Mach 1). A warning alarm sounded and, because of the zero- gravity state, engine oil pressure dropped."
"Capt. Habashy rushed back to the cockpit. "By some accounts, he got back into his seat and said, 'What's going on?' or 'What's happening?' Moments later, the same voice (Habashy's--J.T.): 'Pull with me! Pull with me!'"
At 1:50 a.m. and 22 seconds, two odd things happened."
"Two devices on the tail began to point in opposite directions--one commanding the plane to dive, the other positioning it to climb. The 'climb' device was being controlled from the pilot's side while the 'dive' device was controlled from the co-pilot's side."
"These left and right elevators, which normally operate in tandem to control the craft's up and down movements--split (my emphasis--J.T.) apparently the result of two pilots pulling and pushing hard in opposite directions on their control columns."
"Flight 990 kept diving, kept picking up speed, plummeting towards the Atlantic."
"At almost the same moment, someone shut down the engines (my emphasis--J.T.), a deliberate step that requires pulling up a shield and pulling a switch. It cannot be done accidentally."
"In the final seconds before the flight recorders stopped working, someone deployed the plane's speed brakes, panels mounted atop the wing that can help a plane descend without overspeeding. Those familiar with aerodynamics say that such a maneuver would only cause the plane to descend even more forcefully and make it difficult to climb. The speed brake handle is on the pilot's side of the cockpit."
"Nonetheless, for a few seconds at least, Flight 990 seemed to be coming out of its dive, investigators said Wednesday," November 17, 1999.
"But not for long. Perhaps eight seconds after the engine shutdown, the plane's recorders and the altitude- reporting transponder stopped working (my emphasis--J.T.) But radar shows the airplane climbing back to 24,000 feet."
"The climb didn't last long. Before 2 a.m., Flight 990 stalled, plunged abd broke apart."
All 217 people aboard were killed when the jetliner hit the ocean just off the coast of Massachusetts.
"Debris scattered for about 60 miles off the Massachusetts coast. Few remains were found of the 217 people aboard. There was never so much as a distress call from the plane."
The crash of EgyptAir Flight 990 has been a hot-button issue in the Egyptian press. "The most popular conspiracy theory making the rounds involves a plot by the Mossad, Israel's secret service, to destroy the Boeing 767 in retaliation for the United States passing military know-how to the 33 Egyptian soldiers on board," who were returning to Cairo after a military assignment in the USA.
"Mustafa Bakri, editor of the weekly Al-Osboa newspaper, says most (Egyptian) people believe the U.S. or Israeli governments had a hand in Flight 990's fate."
"'I'm suspicious about the delay in picking up the two black boxes and the lack of bodies,' he says, holding up a headline that reads CIA Touches Black Boxes before their Release.."
During a heated two-hour meeting in Cairo on Monday, November 22, 1999, Egyptian transportation chief Ibrahim Demiri told the assembly, "Our investigation confirmed that the accident was not a result of human error. This was presented to the president (i.e. Hosni Mubarak, president of Egypt--J.T.), and he called President Clinton." (See the Duluth, Minn. News-Tribune for November 21, 1999, "Questions about EgyptAir Flight 990 linger," page 13A. Also USA Today for November 19, 1999, "Crash conspiracy theories abound," page 3A, and USA Today for November 23, 1999, "Egypt's report on crash steers away from sabotage," page 1A.)
Gigantic UFO Seen by Thousands in the South Pacific
On Thursday, November 4, 1999, a gigantic UFO was seen by thousands of people on the large islands of New Britain and New Ireland in the southwestern Pacific Ocean.
"Thousands in the New Britain region, the Gazelle Peninsula, the remote Bainingo ranges, the Duke of York Islands, the Baining area,, Vuvu Beach, north coast of Rabaul and Pilapila currently have apparently witnessed a large, slow-moving object described variously as a craft...approximately about 200 metres (660 feet) long, 50 metres (165 feet) wide which was 'lit up like a city in the sky,' passing slowly across the sky making a quiet puffing noise'--an airship, perhaps?"
"But other descriptions challenge this possibility. People living in the Duke of York (island) group close to New Ireland reported seeing a huge craft hovering just metres above the sea off St. Geroges Channel, and traveling very slowly. They also reported other smaller craft with bright lights circling the large one 'in a playful manner.'"
"John Berenti, a family of Namatanal, New Ireland, saw 'a large craft just above the tops of the mango trees;' he estimated (the UFO to be) 200 metres (660 feet) to 300 metres (990 feet) long and 50 metres (165 feet) wide."
"Raymond Theodore, a police officer, at about 8:30 p.m. (November 4, 1999) on Vuvu Beach, north Rabaul coast, saw 'a large craft traveling just metres above the (ocean) surface and saw it travel over Waton Island. It had very bright lights on the back as it moved along.'"
"Alex Jame and four other boys returning from Pilapila Community School at 7 p.m. and others saw bright lights approaching. As the UFO approached, Alex related, 'the streetlights dimmed like when the batteries in a torch (flashlight in the USA--J.T.) are shot.' He stated (that) it was noiseless, oblong in shape, bright lights around the edge with top level pyramid with some lights around it. All white lights."
"The boys said it took 30 minutes to pass them. Alex said when the object hovered over them, the place around them lit up and they could see people near them as if it were daylight. It eventually disappeared over the mountains near Vuvu."
"John McLeod, manager of the Malangan Beach Resort, New Ireland province, said he watched it and thought it was a satellite re-entry. He seems to be describing something else entirely." (See the newspaper Papua New Guinea Post-Courier for November 11, November 12 and November 15, 1999. Many thanks to Errol Bruce-Knapp for forwarding this newspaper article.)
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